Can't any one of your damn little Scooby club at least try to remember that I hate you all?

Spike ,'Get It Done'


Natter 53: We could just avoid making tortured puns  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


bon bon - Aug 07, 2007 9:18:48 am PDT #3067 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I don't know what would make me feel like a nobody, I guess. And that's where my eyeroll comes in. Money, property, love, children...lacking any of those wouldn't make me feel like a nobody. Only lacking self respect would. I just don't get the word that way. Maybe he defines it differently from the way I do.

I guess that's the nub of why I don't see you and him as the same, but if you do hinge self respect on money then it's my misread.

I think you're at the heart of the disconnect for me. I don't think he's tying it to self-respect, just the social perks of being unusually rich. He doesn't get any at $10MM in Silicon Valley. He wouldn't get it in Manhattan, either.


Liese S. - Aug 07, 2007 9:20:52 am PDT #3068 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

What are the social perks of being unusually rich?


msbelle - Aug 07, 2007 9:21:20 am PDT #3069 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

so in context, nobody just means not rich - one factor. I just don;t value or care about special service from banks or restuarants and god, I do not want to be on any fund-raiser daily call sheet.

he could retire and send his kids to college if he would retire, sell off his house and move somewhere with a lower cost of living.


§ ita § - Aug 07, 2007 9:24:33 am PDT #3070 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

See, if he'd said he wasn't that rich at being worth $10M, I'd absolutely agree with that. The intimations I get from his phrasing, however, go past money. Somehow, by use of "body" and $10M I read him as tying money to self.


msbelle - Aug 07, 2007 9:27:30 am PDT #3071 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

He would get special treatment in Manhattan and probably SV too if his social world was not the world of the other-multi-millionaires. I have ZERO doubt he'd get special treatment if he lowered his standards. I've gotten special treatment from being a regular at bars and restuarants while I was in college and darn poor. Also I get all sorts of ridiculous mailings from places like the Mets and USTA and NY Democrats getting invited to dinners and receptions and whatnot and I BARELY am involved, but I am consistent.


Bobbi - Aug 07, 2007 9:29:23 am PDT #3072 of 10001
Dog is my co-pilot.

I think I paid $2.879 (Why don't they just call it $2.88?) last week in Fairfax County, VA, about 2 miles outside the Beltway.


Allyson - Aug 07, 2007 9:29:26 am PDT #3073 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Does prestige necessarily follow wealth?


beth b - Aug 07, 2007 9:30:26 am PDT #3074 of 10001
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

In general, we have no money worries. and I used to think I/we were poor money managers. I don't think that quite so much anymore. One of the garbage co around here had a big lock out that just ended. I talked to a whole bunch of people that were in shock - because in X years nothing like this had happened. In talking to people I found out we are rare. We have 2-3 months of savings , I have a list of instant expenses to cut, and a few ideas of things to sell. Turns out that the concept of plan B is odd. We have credit card debt - that needs to go. I use the word comfortable to describe where we are. wealthy to me would be zero debt, the ability to buy a new car with cash and things like travel won't be dictated by cost. As far as the 10 million dollar guy, he can complain, but I don't have to feel any sympathy.He seems to be worrying about social status, and I don't really even understand it. I'm not judging, but I can't really sympathize.

gas - cheapest looks to be 2.96 - most around 3. 10


Liese S. - Aug 07, 2007 9:30:45 am PDT #3075 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Only if everybody knows you're wealthy. See, previously referenced rock star, who lived off median income and walked around like he weren't nobody. So everyone treated him that way. Prestige is optional with wealth, I'd say.


§ ita § - Aug 07, 2007 9:36:15 am PDT #3076 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Does prestige necessarily follow wealth?

How are we defining prestige?

1 The level of respect at which one is regarded by others; standing.
2 A person's high standing among others; honor or esteem.
3 Widely recognized prominence, distinction, or importance

I'd say no, no, yeah pretty possible.

If you have what others want, they will treat you differently for it. Especially if they can't just take it, and even moreso if they want glory by association.