Zoe: What's that, sir? Mal: Freedom, is what. Zoe: No, I meant what's that? Mal: Oh. Yeah. Just step around it. I think something must've been living in here.

'Out Of Gas'


Natter 53: We could just avoid making tortured puns  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Allyson - Aug 07, 2007 9:14:14 am PDT #3064 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

One of my interviewers this morning quoted my book at me: "The internet is just a reflection of the first world society that created it."

Or something like that.

And then he asked, "what does that mean?"

And I said, "well, to have the internet, you have to have electricity, a computer, basic shelter, lots of leisure time..you know, these aren't always readily available in the third world. So the net is just showing you what's going on all around you behind closed doors."

All the first world talk reminded me.


Fred Pete - Aug 07, 2007 9:17:00 am PDT #3065 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

I can only wonder what'll happen the day somebody sues Fred Phelps, that stain on a perfectly good first name, for slander or libel.

Gas prices are in the $2.60 to $2.65 area in far western Fairfax County.

And if the quote means, "the movers and shakers here ignore you if you're only worth $10 million," I think it's more a comment on the movers and shakers there than assholishness. Otherwise, I'm less respectful.


Liese S. - Aug 07, 2007 9:18:10 am PDT #3066 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Yeah, definitely, ita. I think you'd have to think people could be Somebody in order to think they could be Nobody, and it's kind of a weird thing to think.

Although in this whole discussion, I'd have to say there's probably a certain amount of jealousy in how I regard him and his situation. I'm probably thinking to myself, if I were worth $10 million, I wouldn't (complain/say those things). But that's because I'm worth about $3,000. Okay, maybe $10,000 if you count the musical gear. I don't have the perspective that he has. If you just handed me the 10 mil, I would sock it in the bank and live off interest and be done with it. But that would be because all my friends aren't making more than that and wanting me to pay for parties and cars and whatnot. Whatnot is expensive, you know.

But I remember in the recent past where I felt pressure because it was tough for me to go out with my friends and buy a round. Eventually I felt like it was easier not to hang out with those friends. I can see where you can get in an environment where it seems necessary to keep grinding for that little bit more. But I also saw that when I was on that treadmill and I decided to get off.


bon bon - Aug 07, 2007 9:18:48 am PDT #3067 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I don't know what would make me feel like a nobody, I guess. And that's where my eyeroll comes in. Money, property, love, children...lacking any of those wouldn't make me feel like a nobody. Only lacking self respect would. I just don't get the word that way. Maybe he defines it differently from the way I do.

I guess that's the nub of why I don't see you and him as the same, but if you do hinge self respect on money then it's my misread.

I think you're at the heart of the disconnect for me. I don't think he's tying it to self-respect, just the social perks of being unusually rich. He doesn't get any at $10MM in Silicon Valley. He wouldn't get it in Manhattan, either.


Liese S. - Aug 07, 2007 9:20:52 am PDT #3068 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

What are the social perks of being unusually rich?


msbelle - Aug 07, 2007 9:21:20 am PDT #3069 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

so in context, nobody just means not rich - one factor. I just don;t value or care about special service from banks or restuarants and god, I do not want to be on any fund-raiser daily call sheet.

he could retire and send his kids to college if he would retire, sell off his house and move somewhere with a lower cost of living.


§ ita § - Aug 07, 2007 9:24:33 am PDT #3070 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

See, if he'd said he wasn't that rich at being worth $10M, I'd absolutely agree with that. The intimations I get from his phrasing, however, go past money. Somehow, by use of "body" and $10M I read him as tying money to self.


msbelle - Aug 07, 2007 9:27:30 am PDT #3071 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

He would get special treatment in Manhattan and probably SV too if his social world was not the world of the other-multi-millionaires. I have ZERO doubt he'd get special treatment if he lowered his standards. I've gotten special treatment from being a regular at bars and restuarants while I was in college and darn poor. Also I get all sorts of ridiculous mailings from places like the Mets and USTA and NY Democrats getting invited to dinners and receptions and whatnot and I BARELY am involved, but I am consistent.


Bobbi - Aug 07, 2007 9:29:23 am PDT #3072 of 10001
Dog is my co-pilot.

I think I paid $2.879 (Why don't they just call it $2.88?) last week in Fairfax County, VA, about 2 miles outside the Beltway.


Allyson - Aug 07, 2007 9:29:26 am PDT #3073 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Does prestige necessarily follow wealth?