That would have been a very good thing to taunt him with, though I still like the image of John in a white room, where he can see all the things he hunted in life completely ignoring him, like zebras that turn their backs on lions at the zoo.

Bet they let Meg have at him...

Oh, and I thought that maybe the reason that the Angels "saved" Dean was to prevent him from becoming a very powerful demon - i.e., they saved him and they saved themselves.

And this is related, I swear, but I wonder if John knew, ever, what Mary'd done for him.

Nope. Never.

I can't see how you create the John Winchester we had with a guy who knows. This all seemed new to him.

Okay... Now I am thinking randomly about how he *might* have found out... But I have to brain on it.

Oh, and I thought that maybe the reason that the Angels "saved" Dean was to prevent him from becoming a very powerful demon - i.e., they saved him and they saved themselves.

They seem to threaten him with rehellification an awful lot for that, even though thus far, it's all been empty promises.

Yes, I don't think that they expected to actually have to send him back.

BTW, I hope they keep up the trend of having Castiel voice over the promos.

I can't see how you create the John Winchester we had with a guy who knows. This all seemed new to him.

I can. Not right away, maybe not even until after Sam left, but I can see him putting the pieces together. Maybe not being certain, but he knows the demon came into those homes, he knows that they had plans for the children, knows something happened, knew Elkins, so he probably found out about his would-have-been-in-laws at some point, remembers blacking out and waking up in Mary's lap, her father dead next to them, her mother dead at home, her neck snapped by something stronger than your regular man.

Oh, and I thought that maybe the reason that the Angels "saved" Dean was to prevent him from becoming a very powerful demon - i.e., they saved him and they saved themselves.

It's a very Winchester-specific 'verse, this could make sense.

I can. Not right away, maybe not even until after Sam left, but I can see him putting the pieces together. Maybe not being certain, but he knows the demon came into those homes, he knows that they had plans for the children, knows something happened, knew Elkins, so he probably found out about his would-have-been-in-laws at some point, remembers blacking out and waking up in Mary's lap, her father dead next to them, her mother dead at home, her neck snapped by something stronger than your regular man.

You know, sometimes having Plei in your head is weird, but not when she is way better at saying the things you are thinking about thinking. This!

You know, sometimes having Plei in your head is weird, but not when she is way better at saying the things you are thinking about thinking. This!

It's not like I've watch In the Beginning so many times that I've lost count or anything weird or obsessive like that. I mean, umm.

Okay, maybe it is.

And of course, you are totally alone in that.

No, that'd be weird or obsessive, no.

Yeah...

Alastair is a little too Brando for me. I loved the voice he used just at first but as the ep progressed, a little ... Brando. Apocalypse Brando, when he was amazing but also hugely over the top and bombastic.

Oooh, Castiel kept his eyes open when Anna ... did whatever reGraced angels do.