Wash: Little River just gets more colorful by the moment. What'll she do next? Zoe: Either blow us all up or rub soup in our hair. It's a toss-up. Wash: I hope she does the soup thing. It's always a hoot, and we don't all die from it.

'Objects In Space'


Supernatural 1: Saving People, Hunting Things - the Family Business  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though -- if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


P.M. Marc - Oct 11, 2008 12:35:15 pm PDT #8657 of 10002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Anne, I like that theory.

(I mean, I still have my theory that the angels have as much red tape to deal with in dealings with humans as the demons, and thus the raising of Dean AND the time travel. More on that later. Have to see why my child is slamming doors now.)


Strix - Oct 11, 2008 12:39:25 pm PDT #8658 of 10002
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

I wonder if the taint of demon blood in Sam would make Castiel's presence harmful (or possibly lethal) to him

Good point. Oooh, I also wonder, IF Castiel is not necessarily on the up-and-up, if Sam could tell and/or exorcise him?

Or even if he is? I mean, Castiel IS a possessing spirit? He's filling a container -- Sam empties containers. Does it matter if it's full of milk or moonshine?


Theresa - Oct 11, 2008 1:02:40 pm PDT #8659 of 10002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"

Given how the show has recently emphasized the fact that possession victims can be saved under the right circumstances, I would hope that the side of good would prefer an "Everybody lives!" sort of victory to a scorched earth one.

Now that made me sniffly. You can tell we watch the same shows.

Good point. Oooh, I also wonder, IF Castiel is not necessarily on the up-and-up, if Sam could tell and/or exorcise him?

Or even if he is? I mean, Castiel IS a possessing spirit? He's filling a container -- Sam empties containers. Does it matter if it's full of milk or moonshine?

Didn't think about that. Maybe Castiel doesn't talk to Sammy because Sammy is powerful enough to boot his ass out of the vessel. I'm sure at this point, Sammy wouldn't know that, but if Castiel pushed him, he might find that out. It's a game of poker with agendas and maybe the angels (and God) don't want to show their hand to Sam yet.


Anne W. - Oct 11, 2008 1:17:39 pm PDT #8660 of 10002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I mean, Castiel IS a possessing spirit? He's filling a container -- Sam empties containers. Does it matter if it's full of milk or moonshine?

Good point. We know that some demons (at least) are fallen humans. I'm assuming that others might be fallen angels (e.g. ones on a par with Azazel and Lilith)


aurelia - Oct 11, 2008 1:18:49 pm PDT #8661 of 10002
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

That's one container Sam really shouldn't empty. We know that Castiel out of his container is bad for humans (and other containers).

Plus... we all seem to like Castiel's current container.


Theresa - Oct 11, 2008 1:49:59 pm PDT #8662 of 10002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"

That's one container Sam really shouldn't empty. We know that Castiel out of his container is bad for humans (and other containers).

Another good point. Not really milk or moonshine, but milk or plutonium.


sumi - Oct 11, 2008 4:10:31 pm PDT #8663 of 10002
Art Crawl!!!

I think - a. that the Angels mainly want Dean to spy out what Sam is doing - they don't want to burn his eyes if they don't have to.

And didn't YED pick specific families to do the blood feedings with? It may suggest that there is something in those families that is conducive to use of power.

Perhaps any random person in the SPN-verse can't just say the words and use the tools and get results, after all.


Morgana - Oct 11, 2008 5:14:47 pm PDT #8664 of 10002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

So....why Dean W.? I mean, good guy, fights against evil. BUT in the larger picture, he really is NOT extraordinarily good. His appeal is based on being ordinarily, conflicted good.

I was theorizing that Dean was eligible for the "get of Hell" card because he wasn't thrown into Hell for committing evil deeds; he was there because he willingly sacrificed himself to save someone else. (Kind of -- he called up a demon and made a deal, which I doubt the Heavenly courts would regard in a positive light.) But overall, would it fall under the "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends" directive?


Strix - Oct 11, 2008 10:47:12 pm PDT #8665 of 10002
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

But overall, would it fall under the "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends" directive?

Oh, yes. There's no denying Dean is working for the good, made a deal for unselfish (mostly -- oh, sad Dean!) reasons. He's eligible. I'm just thinking that, on the grand scale, there have been many people who have performed unselfish acts of good and are, in the SPN verse with the deals and the actual hell and the...um...evil shrimp....yeah, anyway, I'm just saying that Dean's act of goodness is probably not unique. I don't see him as necessarily the MOST eligible. So why him? There's got to be something else.

The SPN verse, so far, is a good/bad kind of verse. Good v. evil, and the classic, I guess, quantam religious physics is that there must exist a balance of power. There's a constant strugle for dominance, but in general, it stabilizes (kind of) into a type of balance. Therefore, most deals with evil must be honored, I think.

And I can see ways to refute my argument. I need to go to bed.


Ailleann - Oct 12, 2008 3:42:58 am PDT #8666 of 10002
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Erin, I think you've got it there... it's all about balance. Dean balances Sam, so maybe the angels (who are probably clueless about what Sam can do, or will do) think that having Dean back will help rebalance the scale. They probably don't care much about his well-being beyond that.