Yeah, that's the thing that dings the dong for me: why can't Castiel just saunter up to Sammy and lay down the law? The fact that he's using Dean as a go-betweem strikes me as hinky. BECAUSE HE'S SKETCHY. Hot, but he's up to something.

What that something is...dunno yet.

I can see Sam and Dead going down the Cain and Abel path or the yellow-crayon speech path here, possibly. Other than that, I don't know.

(My, having internet again is fun! I haven't line-read a show in a long time! )

why can't Castiel just saunter up to Sammy and lay down the law?

I wonder if the taint of demon blood in Sam would make Castiel's presence harmful (or possibly lethal) to him. Maybe Dean is the only chance for Sam to be saved and for Azazel's game to be thrwarted. If the angels stepped in, then maybe death would be the only option.

Given how the show has recently emphasized the fact that possession victims can be saved under the right circumstances, I would hope that the side of good would prefer an "Everybody lives!" sort of victory to a scorched earth one.

Anne, I like that theory.

(I mean, I still have my theory that the angels have as much red tape to deal with in dealings with humans as the demons, and thus the raising of Dean AND the time travel. More on that later. Have to see why my child is slamming doors now.)

I wonder if the taint of demon blood in Sam would make Castiel's presence harmful (or possibly lethal) to him

Good point. Oooh, I also wonder, IF Castiel is not necessarily on the up-and-up, if Sam could tell and/or exorcise him?

Or even if he is? I mean, Castiel IS a possessing spirit? He's filling a container -- Sam empties containers. Does it matter if it's full of milk or moonshine?

Given how the show has recently emphasized the fact that possession victims can be saved under the right circumstances, I would hope that the side of good would prefer an "Everybody lives!" sort of victory to a scorched earth one.

Now that made me sniffly. You can tell we watch the same shows.

Good point. Oooh, I also wonder, IF Castiel is not necessarily on the up-and-up, if Sam could tell and/or exorcise him?

Or even if he is? I mean, Castiel IS a possessing spirit? He's filling a container -- Sam empties containers. Does it matter if it's full of milk or moonshine?

Didn't think about that. Maybe Castiel doesn't talk to Sammy because Sammy is powerful enough to boot his ass out of the vessel. I'm sure at this point, Sammy wouldn't know that, but if Castiel pushed him, he might find that out. It's a game of poker with agendas and maybe the angels (and God) don't want to show their hand to Sam yet.

I mean, Castiel IS a possessing spirit? He's filling a container -- Sam empties containers. Does it matter if it's full of milk or moonshine?

Good point. We know that some demons (at least) are fallen humans. I'm assuming that others might be fallen angels (e.g. ones on a par with Azazel and Lilith)

That's one container Sam really shouldn't empty. We know that Castiel out of his container is bad for humans (and other containers).

Plus... we all seem to like Castiel's current container.

That's one container Sam really shouldn't empty. We know that Castiel out of his container is bad for humans (and other containers).

Another good point. Not really milk or moonshine, but milk or plutonium.

I think - a. that the Angels mainly want Dean to spy out what Sam is doing - they don't want to burn his eyes if they don't have to.

And didn't YED pick specific families to do the blood feedings with? It may suggest that there is something in those families that is conducive to use of power.

Perhaps any random person in the SPN-verse can't just say the words and use the tools and get results, after all.

So....why Dean W.? I mean, good guy, fights against evil. BUT in the larger picture, he really is NOT extraordinarily good. His appeal is based on being ordinarily, conflicted good.

I was theorizing that Dean was eligible for the "get of Hell" card because he wasn't thrown into Hell for committing evil deeds; he was there because he willingly sacrificed himself to save someone else. (Kind of -- he called up a demon and made a deal, which I doubt the Heavenly courts would regard in a positive light.) But overall, would it fall under the "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends" directive?