Buffy: Dancing with you is way better than trying to hook up with some good-looking guy. Xander: I think I liked it more when you were kicking me in my puffy groin.

'Get It Done'


Supernatural 1: Saving People, Hunting Things - the Family Business  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though -- if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


SuziQ - Sep 26, 2008 8:58:33 am PDT #8268 of 10002
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

Also, WTF was that about Meg-the-demon dressing Meg "like a slut"?

I have been trying to hand-wave this as "more like a slut than human!Meg would have dressed". Maybe human!Meg was on the uptight side.


tiggy - Sep 26, 2008 9:01:56 am PDT #8269 of 10002
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

I thought we'd already had confirmation that the humans possessed by demons remember things. i mean, when they finally exorcised the demon inhabiting Meg, she told them she'd been trapped in there for a year. how would she have known that if she wasn't conscious?

i'm still in the camp that it was Ruby in the hotel room scene. still not sold either way if they are sleeping together. though, Meg's comments to Sam seemed to imply more was going on that just Ruby inhabiting an unwilling body...


Morgana - Sep 26, 2008 5:22:59 pm PDT #8270 of 10002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

Today I was thinking to myself that we've had 2 episodes now that focused almost entirely on Dean, and while that was expected last week, what with him rising from hell and all, I'm hoping this isn't setting a precedent. Then I read the following on Kroki-Refur's lj, which articulated my thoughts so much better:

I think I’m having a bit of a problem with Show, which is that every week I tune in and think, “OK, maybe this week they’ll tell us some of what Sam is thinking”. And usually I get to the end of the ep and go “huh. OK, well, maybe next week they’ll tell us some of what Sam is thinking.” But this week I really just got wise, I guess, and came to the conclusion that Show is never gonna tell us what Sam is thinking because Sam’s inner life is not important like Dean’s is. And then I went to the supermarket and I was thinking about it in the cheese aisle, as you do, and I thought dammit, I wanted Sam to have saved Dean from hell. I want Sam to have managed to save someone, but he never gets that. He goes along with Dean in the pilot because Dean appeals to his loyalty and love, and Jess gets burned to death. He shoots his father in the leg rather than the heart, and John ends up in hell and Dean ends up with a huge burden (and Sam’s grief is swept under the carpet). He doesn’t kill Jake as an act of mercy and he ends up getting shanked and Dean ends up selling his soul. He has faith in God and it turns out to be a restless spirit. He saves Dean’s life in Faith and it turns out to be at the expense of someone else’s life. He goes along with Dean’s wish for him not to use his powers, and Dean ends up in hell. Dean kills Stan, Dean gets raised from hell to do God’s work, Dean gets to choose hell to save his brother’s life, and Sam gets smacked down at every turn. I feel like the message of Show so far is that Sam isn’t allowed to be a good person, that he isn’t a being of free will but just a plot device who’s going to be forced to turn to the dark side because every time he tries not to, someone dies. And OK, that’s a fair enough message, in many ways, but I would like to see the effect this is having on Sam, to have Show acknowledge it the way it acknowledges the effect everything has on Dean’s emotional life, from his mother dying to him stubbing his toe. ... I guess I just wanted Sam to save Dean from hell, is all.

and

OK, you know what bugs me? Sam has a moment of guilt here, which is totally in character and more or less the only time in the ep he shows any kind of doubt at all, and he gets shut down by Dean immediately, and that guilt never rears its head again. Dean, meanwhile, gets to spend the entire episode being conflicted about one thing and another, including about exactly the same thing Sam was conflicted about, i.e. the ghosts and Meg’s death. Yep. That bugs me. And I’m sure some of it is just me being a Samgirl, but I’m trying my best to be objective and I am still annoyed.

I love watching the dynamic of the two of them together, but last season was spent on the Angst of Dean, so I'd like to see a bit more balance restored, and some time spent with Sam's storyline.


sumi - Sep 26, 2008 6:45:25 pm PDT #8271 of 10002
Art Crawl!!!

Ha.

And yet, for much of the past two seasons TWOPPERS were convinced that DEAN didn't have a storyline.


tiggy - Sep 26, 2008 6:50:14 pm PDT #8272 of 10002
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

Misha being adorable. there are no spoilers if you've seen 4x02.


Juliebird - Sep 26, 2008 7:06:33 pm PDT #8273 of 10002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I dunno, I found it kinda freaky. Dude doesn't blink! My fix for that is to just watch his mouth. Mmmm...


Monique - Sep 26, 2008 7:40:42 pm PDT #8274 of 10002

"I'm not scared..."

Obviously, in contrast to my comment about Kruby during the premiere -- he hasn't been online much.


Consuela - Sep 26, 2008 8:14:36 pm PDT #8275 of 10002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

TWOPPERS were convinced that DEAN didn't have a storyline.

Apologies to any TWOPers here, but that's crazy.

... or, to put it another way, Dean gets all the characterization effort. Sam gets a storyline, but they still make it All About Dean. Season 2 was supposed to be about whether Sam was going evil: instead it was about Dean having to bear the burden of what John told him about Sam, and then trading his soul for Sam.

Season 3 had a few efforts at being about Sam, but it still turned out to be all about Dean and his deal.

I see no reason to expect different from Season 4. The writers prefer writing Dean, and they toss Sam some characterization occasionally, but it's pretty much underplayed and subtext. Which is self-fulfilling, really: JA does such a good job with what he's given that they continue to give him more. And the whole thing is quite unbalanced.

I am a Dean!girl, but I really do think it's absurd how obvious it is that even the showrunners love Dean best. Poor JP.


sumi - Sep 26, 2008 9:57:15 pm PDT #8276 of 10002
Art Crawl!!!

JA does such a good job with what he's given that they continue to give him more.

Yes - that is exactly what happens. And it's not like JP is terrible.

Meanwhile, now he has all the characterization AND some sort of epic destiny.


Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 27, 2008 4:16:04 am PDT #8277 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

"I'm not scared..."

You will be. t /Yoda