And I wish that there had been some researchy plotty way that they could have realized that demons are made from people other than just being told that.

Demons are people! Demons are people!

t / Soylent Green moment

• Has Heston flashbacks*

Whew! Damn you Heston!! I have mixed feelings here on this ep. I didn't find the brother bonding moment quite as bad as the stabby stabby. Like Julie and Suela I was disturbed by the level of violence. Yes, there is the fact that Dean was a very angry boy and he does have some anger-control issues obviously--goes along with that whole 'stoic at all costs' outlook. Still, I have also noticed that a majority of the demons on SPN are women and that their deaths are becoming increasingly violent. I got a similar feeling on the stabbing as the vamp killing in the Gordon ep as well. Maybe the feeling was intentionally created in order to make Ruby's revelation more meaningful. Perhaps Dean won't be so quick to execute demons now that he knows he can become one. The line separating "us" vs. monsters black and white outlook has gotten more and more blurred throughout the story arc and this seems like one more way to complicate that. Still, I am disturbed by the amount of carving being done on female bodies on television in general. I am a procedurals fan as well and between the corpses on CSI, CSI NY, Cold Case, Without a Trace and Law and Order SUV, it is a wonder there are still women alive in NY, Vegas and Philly.

I don't know if I simply have different expectations, but Dean stabbing the demon in this episode didn't even touch the violence of Sam literally ripping Gordon's head off with his bare hands, for me.

I used to have those dreams. I absolutely couldn't watch that part of the show.

Yeah, I, uh, couldn't watch the teaser. My anxiety dreams manifest themselves in teeth issues, hi. And I may have done some fast-forwarding through the maggots.

The teeth didn't bother me. The maggots, on the other hand ... I still can't watch the Cordy scenes in What's My Line.

I didn't get extreme violence from the scene where Dean kills the Phoebe!Demon - it just seemed like he thought the knife wasn't working properly - like playing with the antenna to get a better picture on your tv.

I think I need to rewatch this ep, fast forwarding through the gross stuff and the bad special effects/editing, and focus on the meat of the story.

Maybe that way I won't kind of dislike the ep a whole lot.

eta: I thought that scene was extremely violent, but it seemed fitting with the violence the demon had just done, especially considering and how it called back to the YED doing the same thing.

I do wish that the witches really had been gender non -specific. Why not have a man or two in the coven?

What is it you dislike? The women/witches thing?

After time to think (because on first watch, I'm always simply squeeing that there are BOYS! on my TV!), I don't think this was a really strong episode, but I didn't dislike it. And there were a few things I liked very much.

Not the least of which was Ruby calling Dean "short bus". Heh.

What is it you dislike? The women/witches thing?

That was part of it, yes. I also thought it was unnecessarily gross, and the editing was sloppy in a few parts. I like Ruby a lot more when she is not sympathetic. I thought Dean talking time out from being pinned to the wall to leer at the lesbisdemons was a cheap cliche.

Most of all I am just not sure I like where the story line is going, especially since we won't be getting a full season for it to develop.

that made me snort. especially when he didn't have a comeback.