But in how he relates to the rest of the world, he's totally old school Han Solo macho.

Dean totally would have shot first.

Though, one might argue (ok, by "one" I mean "I") that Han Solo's machismo is just as put-upon as Dean's. Not that I'm saying Han's a nurturer or anything. But if he was as much of a hard-ass as he tried to appear, he would have ditched Luke and Obi-Wan as soon as shit started to go down.

Perhaps he's compensating for something. He was pretty butch.

It's not that he's pretty, although it certainly helps; it's just that he's so complicated and unlikely and broken and problematically gendered!

I just wanted to see this again.

It's very pretty.

As long as we're admiring the shiny,

It's not that he's pretty, although it certainly helps; it's just that he's so complicated and unlikely and broken and problematically gendered!

...yeah.

I've been trying to compose a thought on the perception of Sam as the softer-seeming, empathetic and more passive partner, vs. Dean as more action-oriented, impatient with sentiment, and naturally suspicious of anyone outside the family, and how that maps onto gender roles.

I think a lot of Sam's perceived softness, at least first season, came from being the baby of the family, having been protected from as much as possible of the wetwork and the trauma. In hindsight, I understand why John might have done what he could to minimize Sam's contact with anything that might start his countdown, while at the same time toughening Dean up to be Sam's watchdog. But aside from the supernatural connotations, the results on their human psyches are far from what any parent would wish for his kids.

I look at Sam in Faith, and it seems like the first time he's responsible, without Dad's backup, for Dean's life. That he steps into the job and actually exhausts all his contacts and comes up with a lead is both gratifying and galvanizing. That the faith healer turns out to be something more sinister is a crisis of conscience for Sam, but the fact remains: he saved his brother. He may feel terrible about the method, but Dean's still here. I think that was a turning point for Sam. He began to try to step into an adult role in the partnership, which meant relinquishing being the "baby", the one everybody else cared for first and protected. That must have been a liberating moment, if indeed he actually recognized it.

That Dean had a harder time accepting Sam in a more equal role is, I think, apparent. He still looks first to Sam's welfare, long after that sort of protection and concern is no longer needed.

Their roles in the family inform their dealings with outsiders, too. Dean comes off as suspicious and brusque, whereas Sam is softer, empathetic. He uses his natural curiosity that has never really been squelched to reach out and examine others' circumstances. He uses his natural outgoing nature to connect on a superficial level with strangers and "clients". He uses his natural charm, honed, like his curiosity and ability to connect with people, by years away from the hunting life and the protective nature of his family, to make those easy, non-threatening connections.

Dean sees a lot, he instinctively understands a lot. He's reluctant to allow connections to form with strangers, but that doesn't preclude an empathetic response. He's just better at concealing it, tamping it down and not letting it interfere with the job to be done. In fact, what often helps fuel his eagerness to get the job done is his empathy and understanding. But opening up to a stranger means exposing his own weakness, and he won't do that, except for kids, and weaker individuals who probably won't take advantage of him.

Conclusion: Dean connects on a deeper, more emotional level, while Sam's connection is intellectual and social.

It's not that he's pretty, although it certainly helps; it's just that he's so complicated and unlikely and broken and problematically gendered!

Hee! Exactly!

What Bev Said, Plei. You devoured the season in order from the beginning. Amyth didn't start watching w/ the sound on until "Nightmare" and I think "Shadow" make have been my first full episode.

True. And this utterly warps/informs my read on characters, and affects what I will/will not read in fic. Poor SA has had to hear me navel gaze about this a lot.

I think a large charm of the show is that neither of them are what first impressions would have you believe.

But in how he relates to the rest of the world, he's totally old school Han Solo macho.

True, and it's so very much learned machismo, lifted in large part from movies instead of reality. I mean, he's not macho in the way that John is, really. (Hands wave) Drat. Need more coffee to articulate.

::makes out with Bev's spicy brains::

smonster and amyth introduced me to the crack that is SPN, for sure. First by being so cute about PADDYWHACK, and then by showing me the Lord King Bad Vid that is the opening credits of Salvation. I figured if Kripke was a bigger fangirly geek than me, I had to watch his show.

Speaking of the cuteness of PADDYWHACK, I'm sure everyone has seen it already, but it seems Jared is quite happy to be back on set.

Bev, yes. Family roles definitely affect the way they interact with the world. You phrased all that very, very well.

Conclusion: Dean connects on a deeper, more emotional level, while Sam's connection is intellectual and social.

Sam definitely does the social chameoleon thing much better than Dean does, but I would characterize his connections as self-reflective more than intellectual, which may be a distinction that matters only to me. Or maybe only makes sense to me. I'm struggling with the words today. And the staying awake.

I think a large charm of the show is that neither of them are what first impressions would have you believe.

Indeed. Layers! Pretty, pretty layers. Or, what shrift said.

Jared is quite happy to be back on set.

I will be laughing at this mental image for DAYS. Big bouncy puppy PADDYWHACK FTW.

AfterElton.com's Hot 100 Included are Paddywhack and JA. And a multitude of other hottness.

Jared is quite happy to be back on set

Am dead from the cute. OMG, overgrown puppy.

ETA: puppydog X-post.