Nothing worse than a monster who thinks he's right with God.

Mal ,'Heart Of Gold'


Supernatural 1: Saving People, Hunting Things - the Family Business  

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Beverly - Jul 24, 2007 8:09:51 am PDT #352 of 10002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I would characterize his connections as self-reflective more than intellectual,

After that coffee? Elucidate, plz. I think I get you, and probably agree. But I need to hear it spelled out a bit.

Loving the cute--especially in contrast to the JA as Eeyore.

...And sparkly balloons. Yes.


Ailleann - Jul 24, 2007 8:20:58 am PDT #353 of 10002
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SPARKLY BALLOONS!

JA as Eeyore just cracks me right the hell up.

And a multitude of other hottness.

Man, that is a lot of pretty.


Atropa - Jul 24, 2007 8:27:47 am PDT #354 of 10002
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Conclusion: Dean connects on a deeper, more emotional level, while Sam's connection is intellectual and social.

Now, bear in mind that I've only seen about three episodes of S2, so my impressions of the characters are a bit different than the rest of yours. With that said, I do agree with the above statement, with one caveat: To my eyes, Sam doesn't get people. He puts up one hell of a well-socialized front, because he wants to fit in; he thinks he wants what Normal People want. But on some level, he doesn't quite understand Normal People, and works really, really hard to get them to accept him.


shrift - Jul 24, 2007 8:30:39 am PDT #355 of 10002
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

True, and it's so very much learned machismo, lifted in large part from movies instead of reality. I mean, he's not macho in the way that John is, really. (Hands wave) Drat. Need more coffee to articulate.

Word. I mean. t makes hands

Dean's macho is a performance, it serves a purpose, whether it's to grab attention or serve as a distraction. John's macho is just as blatant but far less flashy, grounded in these very masculine roles of father and soldier and blue collar working class and hunter.

John wears his macho like his skin, it's just there and something he can't take off, whereas Dean wears his macho like a cloaking device. Um. A cloaking device with bling?

I think I need more caffeine.


Beverly - Jul 24, 2007 8:31:15 am PDT #356 of 10002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Sam doesn't get people. He puts up one hell of a well-socialized front, because he wants to fit in; he thinks he wants what Normal People want. But on some level, he doesn't quite understand Normal People, and works really, really hard to get them to accept him.

Yes! This! It comes off with an undertone of desperate that's...just a bit off-putting. It also makes me waver between thinking Sam is sociopathic material, and Little Match Girl sad, looking into all the lit windows at the happy warm families, while standing barefoot in the snow.


Ailleann - Jul 24, 2007 8:35:04 am PDT #357 of 10002
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Little Match Girl sad, looking into all the lit windows at the happy warm families, while standing barefoot in the snow.

I think this is what drove him to Stanford. He wanted so desperately to be "mainstream" and not living on the fringes that he abandoned all thought of family. (Only learning later that sometimes all you have is family.)


Atropa - Jul 24, 2007 8:35:08 am PDT #358 of 10002
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

comes off with an undertone of desperate that's...just a bit off-putting. It also makes me waver between thinking Sam is sociopathic material, and Little Match Girl sad

Bingo. Which is why, if I stop to think about it, I am more fond of Dean. Dean knows exactly who he is. (Macho crunchy coating, with a fluffy marshmallow center that watches Oprah.) Sam doesn't know what he really wants, which means that he hasn't figured out who he is.


Beverly - Jul 24, 2007 8:45:43 am PDT #359 of 10002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Second season, though, I've really liked Sam more and more. I think the change in him started in Salvation.

As many times as I've watched eps out of order, and sequentially, Sam's metamorphosis has impressed me. You see what you expect to see, and I did, all through the season until Houses of the Holy, when I went (Keanu) whoa!(/Keanu). And stepped back and took a good look at Sam and the progression he's made through the season. Part of it was JP maturing as an actor, really getting into the character, very gratifying. But part of it is the writers' choices for Sam and how the character changes through S2. I had very little regard for Sam other than as an obnoxious little brother and plot device, even though his name is billed first and the premise is ostensibly Luke's journey, with Sam as Luke, in early S1. Now I regard him as a character who's complex, intriguing and "Oh, Sam!" in his own right.

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Lee - Jul 24, 2007 8:54:32 am PDT #360 of 10002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Bingo. Which is why, if I stop to think about it, I am more fond of Dean. Dean knows exactly who he is. (Macho crunchy coating, with a fluffy marshmallow center that watches Oprah.) Sam doesn't know what he really wants, which means that he hasn't figured out who he is.

Yes, this, and the other stuff JilliBob said. Sam is a hell of a mimic, but I don't think he understands people or himself very well.


juliana - Jul 24, 2007 8:57:57 am PDT #361 of 10002
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

Yeah, I'm really looking forward to Sam's arc in S3, because I think we'll see the character really come into his own. JP has proved he can step up to the plate, so the writers have a lot more flexibility with him.

Dean knows exactly who he is. (Macho crunchy coating, with a fluffy marshmallow center that watches Oprah.)

Even though he doesn't admit it. Bless.

John wears his macho like his skin, it's just there and something he can't take off, whereas Dean wears his macho like a cloaking device. Um. A cloaking device with bling?

First, snerk at the cloaking device with bling. Second, perhaps it's due to the type of combat each man grew up in? John's tour in Viet Nam didn't require any stealth (other than combat), and so the macho he learned to inhabit was born out of the daily interaction with his fellow soldiers, the service, and what was necessary to go in the field. Dean's macho is born out of having to disguise himself, not only to the strangers they're helping and the monsters they're hunting, but also to Sam & John in order to keep the peace.

Or I could just be flapping my hands for no good reason. Flaphandium.