And I myself will be wearing pink taffeta as chenille would not go with my complexion.

Giles ,'Touched'


Supernatural 1: Saving People, Hunting Things - the Family Business  

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Vortex - Jul 24, 2007 8:00:29 am PDT #350 of 10002
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

AfterElton.com's Hot 100 Included are Paddywhack and JA. And a multitude of other hottness.


JenP - Jul 24, 2007 8:02:57 am PDT #351 of 10002

Jared is quite happy to be back on set

Am dead from the cute. OMG, overgrown puppy.

ETA: puppydog X-post.


Beverly - Jul 24, 2007 8:09:51 am PDT #352 of 10002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I would characterize his connections as self-reflective more than intellectual,

After that coffee? Elucidate, plz. I think I get you, and probably agree. But I need to hear it spelled out a bit.

Loving the cute--especially in contrast to the JA as Eeyore.

...And sparkly balloons. Yes.


Ailleann - Jul 24, 2007 8:20:58 am PDT #353 of 10002
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SPARKLY BALLOONS!

JA as Eeyore just cracks me right the hell up.

And a multitude of other hottness.

Man, that is a lot of pretty.


Atropa - Jul 24, 2007 8:27:47 am PDT #354 of 10002
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Conclusion: Dean connects on a deeper, more emotional level, while Sam's connection is intellectual and social.

Now, bear in mind that I've only seen about three episodes of S2, so my impressions of the characters are a bit different than the rest of yours. With that said, I do agree with the above statement, with one caveat: To my eyes, Sam doesn't get people. He puts up one hell of a well-socialized front, because he wants to fit in; he thinks he wants what Normal People want. But on some level, he doesn't quite understand Normal People, and works really, really hard to get them to accept him.


shrift - Jul 24, 2007 8:30:39 am PDT #355 of 10002
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

True, and it's so very much learned machismo, lifted in large part from movies instead of reality. I mean, he's not macho in the way that John is, really. (Hands wave) Drat. Need more coffee to articulate.

Word. I mean. t makes hands

Dean's macho is a performance, it serves a purpose, whether it's to grab attention or serve as a distraction. John's macho is just as blatant but far less flashy, grounded in these very masculine roles of father and soldier and blue collar working class and hunter.

John wears his macho like his skin, it's just there and something he can't take off, whereas Dean wears his macho like a cloaking device. Um. A cloaking device with bling?

I think I need more caffeine.


Beverly - Jul 24, 2007 8:31:15 am PDT #356 of 10002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Sam doesn't get people. He puts up one hell of a well-socialized front, because he wants to fit in; he thinks he wants what Normal People want. But on some level, he doesn't quite understand Normal People, and works really, really hard to get them to accept him.

Yes! This! It comes off with an undertone of desperate that's...just a bit off-putting. It also makes me waver between thinking Sam is sociopathic material, and Little Match Girl sad, looking into all the lit windows at the happy warm families, while standing barefoot in the snow.


Ailleann - Jul 24, 2007 8:35:04 am PDT #357 of 10002
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Little Match Girl sad, looking into all the lit windows at the happy warm families, while standing barefoot in the snow.

I think this is what drove him to Stanford. He wanted so desperately to be "mainstream" and not living on the fringes that he abandoned all thought of family. (Only learning later that sometimes all you have is family.)


Atropa - Jul 24, 2007 8:35:08 am PDT #358 of 10002
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

comes off with an undertone of desperate that's...just a bit off-putting. It also makes me waver between thinking Sam is sociopathic material, and Little Match Girl sad

Bingo. Which is why, if I stop to think about it, I am more fond of Dean. Dean knows exactly who he is. (Macho crunchy coating, with a fluffy marshmallow center that watches Oprah.) Sam doesn't know what he really wants, which means that he hasn't figured out who he is.


Beverly - Jul 24, 2007 8:45:43 am PDT #359 of 10002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Second season, though, I've really liked Sam more and more. I think the change in him started in Salvation.

As many times as I've watched eps out of order, and sequentially, Sam's metamorphosis has impressed me. You see what you expect to see, and I did, all through the season until Houses of the Holy, when I went (Keanu) whoa!(/Keanu). And stepped back and took a good look at Sam and the progression he's made through the season. Part of it was JP maturing as an actor, really getting into the character, very gratifying. But part of it is the writers' choices for Sam and how the character changes through S2. I had very little regard for Sam other than as an obnoxious little brother and plot device, even though his name is billed first and the premise is ostensibly Luke's journey, with Sam as Luke, in early S1. Now I regard him as a character who's complex, intriguing and "Oh, Sam!" in his own right.

ed. to remove embarrassing typo.