Yup. I have issues with "Heart". Especially since my one thought about it--that they were trying to get us to question Winchester black-and-white morality, what with "Heart" and "Croatoan"--didn't pan out, so I'm left going, WTF?

And... well, not to rain on the parade, but can we please not be down on the casting spoilers? There's an awful lot of not-very-veiled misogyny out in the rest of fandom about the casting spoilers, and frankly I'm a bit surprised to see people complaining about them here as well.

For my part, I think it could be interesting, not to mention the fact that the Js kind of need a break, given that they're in nearly every scene of the show, and that has to be exhausting.

Just a thought, and I in no way mean to imply that anyone here is being misogynistic. Y'all are, of course, free to ignore me or tell me to shut my cakehole.

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Pls to not be shutting cakehole, Consuela. As a guilty party I'm a bit appalled at myself.

Not long ago I was urging others with the same words you're using. It was the "B" word, and the oh-so-typical CW PR that got my back up about the sitch. I will attempt to keep an open mind.

You won't mind the silent stinkeye, though, till I know for sure?

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Whitefont: I definitely agree that it could be interesting, and I'm sporting my "In Kripke We Trust" button. But I also don't want my angsty wonderful brothers-against-the-world story to get filled up with gratuitous eye candy just for the sake of appealing to a demographic. I'm definitely in favor of female characters with agency.

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I don't even know the casting spoilers. And am going to try and keep it that way. Though I am guessing they are a doozy from the blackfont around the (thank you!) whitefont.

But at that point in the season arc, she was Sam's avatar, so the lines she was speaking were what we assumed Sam was thinking.

I have the same issue with Sam though. He killed other hunters in BUaBS. He should be more guilty about that - at this point in canon - and not the stressing about what he might do in the future at this point.

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He killed other hunters in BUaBS.

He didn't, Meg did. I think he has to have let some of that go, because otherwise he's gotta live with the "I almost beat my own brother to death."

Sam has yet to slide down the rabbit hole of his own accord at this point, like Max or Andy's brother what's-his-name.

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Also, let me at this juncture once again tout 'Suela's wonderful Heart coda: Working Theory.

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Andy's brother what's-his-name.

Anson Weems.

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(Aww, my subtle YED reference slid under the radar.)

Man, Simon Says is an episode that gets better every time I watch it. I love any juxtaposition of siblings (brothers especially) against our boys.

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Beverly, have you ever considered a career in marketing? ::sends cupcakes::

Ailleann, I am trying to be cautiously optimistic, out of sheer bloodymindedness on my own part. And despite the evidence in Lum and Sisabet's "Women's Work", it remains true that we did get women characters with agency in season 2--Detective Ballard, Ellen, and Jo; as well as Sarah, Cassie, and fabulous Kathleen Hudak in season 1. So, I have issues, but on the front of individual characterization, I think we have a good shot at getting interesting complicated women who aren't just there for eye-candy.

Which is not to say that they're not gonna be eye-candy, because they absolutely will, it's CW and they have a demographic to appeal to. I'd have given good money for one of them to be something other than white, but please god just make them smart and interesting.

t holds thumbs

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Suela, not shockingly, we are as one.

Besides, I continue to hope that we can have an Aeryn-like kick-ass female. Because that would rule.

I avoid CW's promos for a reason, usually. Take it these were especially bad?

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