And Sam is in despair. His visions and what he might become? He made Dean promise to kill him.
I don't think he's at DESPAIR yet. That's pretty much equal to without hope, in my mind. He's still fighting, and he's not sure. I see the comparison, but the hooker and the drunk were so clearly defined as helpless, as having given up, that Sam struck me as an odd choice.
I get why they did it, of course, and I get that Sam is not exactly full of hope, but he hasn't sunk yet. I don't think he can, because -- until now -- he does have faith, he does believe, he does pray.
Damn. I should have watched these eps in reverse order. I needed laughs after this pain. Note to self..schedule the happy after Supernatural.
is there ever a point at which we saw but didn't know Sam was possessed? Or was that something that happened offscreen inbetween eps?
No, the actual possession happens off camera. The audience doesn't really know that Sam's possessed until (I think) when he attacks Dean.
schedule the happy after Supernatural
Just find some pictures of JA. I know that's my happy.
he does pray
Everyday.
Just find some pictures of JA. I know that's my happy.
Ohhh! The latest one with them hugging. Or JP hugging JA at least. All better now.
::Grabby hands::
Linky to the HOTH fic please.
I don't think he's at DESPAIR yet. That's pretty much equal to without hope, in my mind.
I saw despair in Playthings. It's after Ava is missing (and not yet known to be evil), when Sam goes off, gets drunk and makes Dean promise to kill him. That, to me, is despair. He moves past it. But that's where I see it. I think he did lose hope. He just keeps finding a little bit more.
No, the actual possession happens off camera. The audience doesn't really know that Sam's possessed until (I think) when he attacks Dean.
thanks, Ailleann, when I saw it I was certain that I had missed an ep (due to my confusion of watching Seasons 1 & 2 at the same time --don't hurt me, Bev! I'm slowly accumulating the eps for later rewatch and Oh Show!ing --On a bucket note, I had been watching Rome, and declared, "Oh, Pullo!" and my dog freaked out at the tone in my voice, started woofing up a storm. Freaky.)
Cass, I agree. That is what I see with both boys. Both of them get just enough (and I do mean barely just enough) to keep going.
I had been watching Rome, and declared, "Oh, Pullo!" and my dog freaked out at the tone in my voice, started woofing up a storm. Freaky!
That is freaky. Coincidentally, I've never seen Rome but have been meaning to catch up on its episodes.
Sam suddenly being drunk just weirded me out and I thought he was possessed then, which I think also added to my confusion of just when he got possessed. Cuz, random, and within that ep, as far as I can remember, no lead-up to it at all. And perhaps some discussion here that I didn't comprehend at the time.
Linky to the HOTH fic please.
If you mean mine? It's here.
(I still feel weird linking to fic in here, but no one seems to mind, so...)
