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But... this is a world of ghosts (&c.), and we've been shown that ghosts are equally snitty, male or female. There could easily be an episode about some dead matriarch who continues to rule her family with an iron fist; or a Long Island housewife, creamed in a car wreck, who comes back for revenge on her gossippy neighbors. We could have stories about the ghosts of girls who starved themselves to death, force-feeding the people they haunt. All three of these examples are feminine concerns -- family, gossip, dieting -- but they're not concerns that turn automatically toward sexualized violence. Also, they are plot bunnies.

But it is a world of ghost stories from this real world verse and the examples you listed aren't typical well known urban legends. That has been the pattern and with that may be inherent white male gaze, but perhaps they could make some twist on them. I don't know.

Someone mentioned Wendigo earlier and that none of the guys were in shorts but one girl was. I assumed the reason we never see the guys in shorts was because they (those particular actors) are sexier that way. Has anyone seen pics of the guys (other than when they are in bed or a towel) in anything other than pants.

Oh! and I think the female equivalent of the dirty old man is the term 'cougar' which I hate with an undying passion. They kept saying it in the promos for Age of Love with the kittens (20 somethings) against the cougars (40 somethings).

I'm sure we're not the targeted demographic. I'm less sure that we aren't the actual core demographic.

I don't know what the showrunners think, but have you seen the commercials during an hour of Supernatural? All about that not-so-fresh feeling, and hair care, and tampons. Not a car ad in the mix.

But it is a world of ghost stories from this real world verse and the examples you listed aren't typical well known urban legends.

I think the show has moved beyond urban legends, don't you? (As is proper; it's got to develop its own mythology eventually.) Certainly, all the mystical Sam Colt hoodoo is totally original (so original, it bears no relation to real history!).

I think the show has moved beyond urban legends, don't you? (As is proper; it's got to develop its own mythology eventually.) Certainly, all the mystical Sam Colt hoodoo is totally original (so original, it bears no relation to real history!).

I don't think it has moved beyond urban legends. I think most of what they continued to deal with up until the two part finale was urban legend and myth. The djinn and the wishes, dang and now I'm drawing a blank on what were the episodes right before that.

I thought I heard Kripke say early on in development, like maybe a season one panel, that they didn't plan on moving past the urban legends. They had researched enough for hundreds of stories and didn't feel like they were running out of material.

The Samuel Colt stuff does go away from history, but it reminded me of shooting a demon, werewolf, vampire with a silver bullet as the magic cure all for killing evil. So I didn't see it as original, just a twist.

I squick with the sexualized violence but I think this show is going to be violent and by CW degree, sexy. Even Joss wasn't innocent of this. Season six Buffy had alot of it. And I think at that particular point Buffy had lost some of her agency. Also, the episode Reprise on Angel always stands out to me. Angel throwing Darla around, then approaching her, then throwing her through the french doors, then having sex. I thought it was shot to be hot but terribly, terribly violent and wrong.

I... think we may have completely different definitions of urban legend, then?

urban legend and myth

Because those are two very different things, to me. An urban legend is something with a snowball's chance of ending up on Snopes; a myth is something that is more likely to be taken as emotionally or psychologically true while being scoffed at in its details. Myths have codas and patterns and things happening in threes; urban legends have you waking up in an ice-filled bathtub with a phone on your chest and no kidneys.

Bloody Mary and Hookman are urban legends. Werewolves and vampires are definitely not urban legend material. Those are straight-up horror tropes drawn directly from myth.

Myths have codas and patterns and things happening in threes; urban legends have you waking up in an ice-filled bathtub with a phone on your chest and no kidneys.

Bloody Mary and Hookman are urban legends. Werewolves and vampires are definitely not urban legend material. Those are straight-up horror tropes drawn directly from myth.

I love you, Nutty. I just wanted to say that.

goes back to staring admiringly at Nutty's post.

Werewolves and vampires are definitely not urban legend material.

Unless you live in Central America with that vampire thing called the "goat sucker". The Chupacabra, that's it.

We may have different definitions of urban legend, but I think my statements still stand even if I was calling a myth and urban legend or an urban legend a myth. The stories are coming from already established (choose one).

eta: I love Nutty too ::pouts:: This doesn't mean I don't.

(I am amused that the Metallicar thread over at TWOP is discussing the implications of the bench seat. . . have we discussed those implications here?)

have we discussed those implications here?

Um... what kind of implications?

1. to move the seat - the whole thing moves.

2. excellent for snuggling

3. and it reclines.

have we discussed those implications here?)

No, but I've read more than a few John/Mary fics that have Dean being conceived on that seat.