I think the show has moved beyond urban legends, don't you? (As is proper; it's got to develop its own mythology eventually.) Certainly, all the mystical Sam Colt hoodoo is totally original (so original, it bears no relation to real history!).

I don't think it has moved beyond urban legends. I think most of what they continued to deal with up until the two part finale was urban legend and myth. The djinn and the wishes, dang and now I'm drawing a blank on what were the episodes right before that.

I thought I heard Kripke say early on in development, like maybe a season one panel, that they didn't plan on moving past the urban legends. They had researched enough for hundreds of stories and didn't feel like they were running out of material.

The Samuel Colt stuff does go away from history, but it reminded me of shooting a demon, werewolf, vampire with a silver bullet as the magic cure all for killing evil. So I didn't see it as original, just a twist.

I squick with the sexualized violence but I think this show is going to be violent and by CW degree, sexy. Even Joss wasn't innocent of this. Season six Buffy had alot of it. And I think at that particular point Buffy had lost some of her agency. Also, the episode Reprise on Angel always stands out to me. Angel throwing Darla around, then approaching her, then throwing her through the french doors, then having sex. I thought it was shot to be hot but terribly, terribly violent and wrong.

I... think we may have completely different definitions of urban legend, then?

urban legend and myth

Because those are two very different things, to me. An urban legend is something with a snowball's chance of ending up on Snopes; a myth is something that is more likely to be taken as emotionally or psychologically true while being scoffed at in its details. Myths have codas and patterns and things happening in threes; urban legends have you waking up in an ice-filled bathtub with a phone on your chest and no kidneys.

Bloody Mary and Hookman are urban legends. Werewolves and vampires are definitely not urban legend material. Those are straight-up horror tropes drawn directly from myth.

Myths have codas and patterns and things happening in threes; urban legends have you waking up in an ice-filled bathtub with a phone on your chest and no kidneys.

Bloody Mary and Hookman are urban legends. Werewolves and vampires are definitely not urban legend material. Those are straight-up horror tropes drawn directly from myth.

I love you, Nutty. I just wanted to say that.

goes back to staring admiringly at Nutty's post.

Werewolves and vampires are definitely not urban legend material.

Unless you live in Central America with that vampire thing called the "goat sucker". The Chupacabra, that's it.

We may have different definitions of urban legend, but I think my statements still stand even if I was calling a myth and urban legend or an urban legend a myth. The stories are coming from already established (choose one).

eta: I love Nutty too ::pouts:: This doesn't mean I don't.

(I am amused that the Metallicar thread over at TWOP is discussing the implications of the bench seat. . . have we discussed those implications here?)

have we discussed those implications here?

Um... what kind of implications?

1. to move the seat - the whole thing moves.

2. excellent for snuggling

3. and it reclines.

have we discussed those implications here?)

No, but I've read more than a few John/Mary fics that have Dean being conceived on that seat.

The stories are coming from already established (choose one).

I guess I don't disagree, in the main; but the source from which the episode draws will in some wise inform the woman-in-peril, oh-wait-I-meant-bikini quotient. If you're drawing directly from late-70s horror movies, high quotient. If you're drawing from the same myths that also inform those movies, but not directly from the movies, the quotient gets lower (and the women are more likely to be in, like, flannel nightgowns).

I've had this conversation before, about where the demon-control stuff comes from: all the Catholic material on the show is basically pre-Vatican II, not because the writers are all old farts or Mel Gibson, but because The Exorcist performs Catholicism in a pre-II manner. (IIRC, the novel on which the movie is based came out peri-II.)

Note to world: don't take your Monster Killing Methods from late-night movie fests! Monsters do not, themselves, watch television as a general rule!

wrt bench seats... Big old bench seats like that are usually in two pieces, aren't they? Constance Welsh tipped Sam back without tipping the whole seat, didn't she? Our big ol' cars with bench seats were actually in two pieces.

Plei would know, she's got the manual.