See, in my list I didn't even put Plei, Laura orJessica, which is of course insane.

I also think the core changes with how much people post. MM was a core Buffista for a while, and now posts less. Still a Buffista OF COURSE but maybe not a "core" one.

The first rule of Bitch Cabal is we do not talk about Bitch Cabal.

The second rule of Bitch Cabal is we DO NOT TALK about Bitch Cabal.

Rule number six: There is NO rule number six.

This concludes the reading of the rules.

Hear, hear, well spoken Bruce!

There is also no spoon.

There is no spoon, there is only ZOOL!!!

t hugs Buffistas tight

Numerically, no, but I still feel like it's created an expectation that it's okay or even encouraged to vote "what she said" rather than what you actually think of the proposal. And if voting was supposed to reduce BS consensing, that's not the direction to go. (Down with NP!!)

I concur with this. I think coupled with a higher quorum it would make a difference.

Any ideas on what would work best if we rasied the quorum?

I'm attached to a percentage of users - either active posters (by one of ita's counts), or of total registered users.

I'm not sure where to peg that percentage though it should produce a number higher than 42.

I feel like I said core first, since it came from the Clay Shirky article. But by "core" what I mean is people who agree with me in every way. The rest of you are out-group!

Every time I try to define "Core Buffista" to myself, the definition spreads wider and wider until it finally includes everyone who's ever posted (except for the three people who got themselves suspended/banned). Every time I try to stump myself by naming someone who's a Buffista but not core, I find myself sliding them over into core.

I never, ever, ever post with Le Nubian; we're never active in the same threads (I lurk occasionally in one of the spoiler threads and see him/her there, but that's it), I can go months without seeing the username -- and, yet, the tiny bits of LN's brains I have seen are beautifully spicy, and LN has been around forever and ever (since TT?), and I like knowing that s/he is still around someplace, even in threads I don't go into, and if I found out that s/he had unregistered and vanished I'd feel mournful.

Madrigal, John H, Theresa, Phill, Rayne, Holli, jengod, John Sweden, erinaceous, Betsy -- rarely here anymore, but still core in my brain. Susan and Cindy never stopped being core, even when they and b.org were on a break. Heck, even buffysmglover, all new and shiny and everything, makes me grin every time I see his pixels just 'cause he's all brave about posting his fic for this huge band of friendly stranger and 'cause he's about the same age Holli was when she first posted. And every time a lurker delurks, I get embarrassingly squeeful.

In my brain, anyone who actually takes the time and effort to post = core. Which is not even to say that the lurkers might not be reading and thinking and voting and sending money to Jesse and thus being secretly core, but if they don't post I can't see them and I have no way of knowing their coreness.

The above was probably a singularly useless and blathering post, and yet I'm going to click Post Message anyway. So there!

Briefly regarding both Boxed Set and television talk: in the poll, BS was the third most noted thread, and even with it being slightly less high volume with Supernatural gone, I haven't read SPN or BS in about four weeks, starting from the same point in time, and they have almost identical (within 100) unread posts for me. While being a really lame experiment, it does show me that there's still lots of talk going on in BS, even without SPN. Also, as Frank notes, there's pretty much just Eureka and Doc Who on right now, and we've never been much for talking re-runs. (With the exception of supernatural.)

I think with the number of returning shows, and the handful of new ones coming up, BS will continue to be as odd and vibrant and important as it ever was. By which I mean I am not a Pollyanna, no really.

But the other part of that notes that from the poll, tv talk is as important a cultural center as the social stuff. I don't really see the point in making some kind of mission statement or whatever, and while I can understand getting behind changing the voting rules a bit, I personally really do not want to have *that* discussion again. At least not for awhile.

I suppose I'm trying to suss out where, after the results from Connie's proposal come back, we should take this conversation. Having a Network Drama thread changes things somewhat--it should probably encourage us to decide whether we, or anyone, in the community wants to go forward with making other television threads with, basically, the experimentals recreated, or if we should kind of Doblerize for a while on the concept and let threads that may float up as needing their own thread naturally be a thread creation guideline.

That being said, if Connie's proposal doesn't pass, I think I'd like to craft a proposal dividing along genre lines, with the subset that individual show threads that generate enough robust discussion could be proposed as individual threads.

Also, there's a hummingbird outside my window. How cool is that?

Hey, I wiggled my butt at you at the Prom!

there is a difference between a butt wiggle and a lap dance. Usually about $100.