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§ ita § - Nov 08, 2008 9:29:55 pm PST #8550 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Oh, I'm never watching it again. And I disliked the second bit more than the first (wanted to slap them all silly), so I think it's not for me.

I was a Twin Peaks fan, though.


DavidS - Nov 08, 2008 9:31:37 pm PST #8551 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Oh, I'm never watching it again.

I didn't mean that. There was a long piece on Salon when it came out laying out the storyline which made it more coherent for me.


Laga - Nov 08, 2008 9:33:35 pm PST #8552 of 10000
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

Twin Peaks pissed me off and I thought I hated David Lynch until I saw he directed The Straight Story. I guess I love everything with Richard Farnsworth in it.


§ ita § - Nov 08, 2008 9:45:57 pm PST #8553 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I read the imdb synopses to work what had happened, but then was left with the why. The Salon piece would probably be better info.

Imdb had a list of Lynch's ten clues, and even they didn't help. On my phone so I can't link, but if someone could explain those to me, I'd be grateful.

Also watched the remake of The Manchurian Candidate (love both versions) and Serendipity which I enjoy in sparse doses.

Next up is to make a dent in my netflix queue by watching online. I'll die before that list gets shorter than 100.


§ ita § - Nov 08, 2008 9:47:20 pm PST #8554 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

::phone doublepost::


Ash - Nov 09, 2008 5:18:08 am PST #8555 of 10000

I really don't care for clever twists and stories I have to figure out by reading clues and explanations online somewhere. I don't want everything just handed to me, but Mulholland Dr wallows in a ridiculous level of obfuscation (or laziness?) in its storytelling. If I don't care whether a single character in your movie lives or dies, all the lovely cinematography and Hidden Layers Of Stuff won't save you.

I guess that means I'm not Lynch's advocate here...


DavidS - Nov 09, 2008 5:31:47 am PST #8556 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I really don't care for clever twists and stories I have to figure out by reading clues and explanations online somewhere.

In fairness to Lynch, the twists aren't there just to give you a gotcha moment, but are completely justified by the narrative.

The story achieves a fair amount of emotional heft when you realize what's happening and it's not a place you can get to narratively if it was told in a straightforward fashion.

Salon's Mullholland Drive analysis


Sue - Nov 09, 2008 7:12:14 am PST #8557 of 10000
hip deep in pie

Can someone who liked Mulholland Drive sell it to me?

I liked it. I thought it was the closest movie equivalent I've seen to watching a dream. Other than that, I am at a loss to explain it further.


§ ita § - Nov 09, 2008 7:48:07 am PST #8558 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Thanks for the link, Hec. It doesn't help me like it, because I don't think that movies should be that much work (and the article seems to imply that it's even more work than I found it--is it really supposed to be hard to tell it's Naomi throughout?). It mentions Memento as being similarly arduous, but instead I found Memento rewarding once you click with it, which is eminently possible while you're still in the theatre.

Now to poke through the letters in response to the analysis.


Glamcookie - Nov 09, 2008 7:53:26 am PST #8559 of 10000
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

I loved Mulholland Drive - even the first time i saw it and had no idea what I had just seen. Lynch stuff is always so creepy and intense. And this one had hot lesbians, too! I was meh on Memento.