I like money better than people. People can so rarely be exchanged for goods and/or services!

Willow ,'Showtime'


Cable Drama: Still Waiting for the Cable Guy to Show Up with the Thread Name...

To be determined... (but it's definitely [NAFDA])


le nubian - May 27, 2012 7:44:45 pm PDT #9589 of 11998
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Vortex,

he said $50K in the short run would cause them financial problems. Lane said that to Joan openly.


-t - May 27, 2012 7:47:01 pm PDT #9590 of 11998
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Yeah, the 50K wouldn't have been a problem if not for Lane's prior shenanigans with the credit line.

I'm thinking they would have won without Joan's assistance. That presentation was a homerun.


Vortex - May 27, 2012 7:53:01 pm PDT #9591 of 11998
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

yes, I should have said that the 50K would not have been a problem had it not been for the already extended credit line.


-t - May 27, 2012 8:00:40 pm PDT #9592 of 11998
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

It's kind of funny that it's the agency's success that is causing him such problems. I suppose if they start generating serious revenue he might be able to juggle the books to cover, but I'd be surprised if he pulls it off.


DavidS - May 27, 2012 9:28:02 pm PDT #9593 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Jesus! What a mangled tangle of intentions conspiring to stab two daggers to the heart.

When Pete is pimping Joan out to the partners you know there are three men standing there (Roger, Lane, Don) who all love her, and in their way, need her. Back to the prostitution theme which has been strong this year.

I was reminded of Joss' early understanding that he only needed to put Willow in jeopardy to jack up the drama of an episode of BtVS. And on Mad Men there's a similar dynamic where these assaults on Joan's...well, physical person, but more her dignity, her personhood, are so excruciating.

I was also reminded of the TV show Action which is the last time I saw such a naked equivalence between whoring oneself and The Capitalist Enterprise.

Where the fuck was Roger in all that? Lane - with his extraordinarily conflicted motives - basically says nothing like "Don't sell yourself" but rather "Don't sell yourself short." And she's grateful for it and the leverage. And Lane's still fucked on the embezzling.

And, in a way, Don's gallantry is the thing that makes Joan's choice for her. That he didn't sell her out. That he believed she was better than that. It almost allows her to do it.

So Don earns Joan's loyalty (which he already had) and loses Peggy. And god, he sold that perfectly. Like losing Anna for him.

The whole sub-plot with Megan was a minor play on the same motif but at least acknowledges what I thought when she announced her desire to become an actress: "How's that schedule going to work?" It doesn't. Their marriage won't survive her being of in Boston for three months of rehearsals and previews.

Total gut-punch episode. Two more episodes and they still haven't paid off on the suicide theme. My bet's on Rory Gilmore. Pete must suffer for his sins!


DavidS - May 27, 2012 9:42:37 pm PDT #9594 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

And, in a way, Don's gallantry is the thing that makes Joan's choice for her. That he didn't sell her out. That he believed she was better than that. It almost allows her to do it.

Okay, apparently I missed the point of that flashback because Don is coming to see Joan after she's already slept with Herb. So her presumption that he was one of the men who sold her out might have contributed to her decision, but his coming by later salvages something in their relationship.


Typo Boy - May 27, 2012 10:12:56 pm PDT #9595 of 11998
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Also are they really writing Peggy out of the show? If not, who comes crawling to whom?


Liese S. - May 27, 2012 11:40:38 pm PDT #9596 of 11998
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Wtf, Mad Men? Super painful and upsetting.

The thing is that if Don is your moral compass, you have lost yourself as a company. I was kinda shipping Joan/Roger, but this is a clear example of why it would be a bad idea. Roger thinks no more of pimping Joan out than he does of using Mona or Jane for his business purposes.

I am kinda excited to see Peggy go. I would be interested in watching the two firms compete, and see Don & Peggy pitch against each other as equals. It was an amazing, well played scene, and I like both the characters' reactions, but it also felt true. That I should have seen this was inevitable.

I think Peggy's discarded the pact, but I hope not, because I would also like to see that. Honestly, it's kinda what I wanted previously, to see the new young firm struggling, to see it competing with the old self. Well, this is a different pairing, but I'm still interested in the competition.


le nubian - May 28, 2012 2:29:59 am PDT #9597 of 11998
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

The thing is that if Don is your moral compass, you have lost yourself as a company.

You are right, but then too, I got the impression that he felt this way about *Joan*. If it had been any other secretary the Jaguar people wanted, he wouldn't have been so agitated. There is nothing moral about it if it is dependent on one person.


Jon B. - May 28, 2012 3:35:41 am PDT #9598 of 11998
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

As Peggy is waiting for the elevator at the end, looking towards the doors of the offices, FAQWife was terrified that she would step into an empty shaft. She literally grabbed my arm. THAT would have been fucked up.