That's true. Joan's way doesn't even work as well as it used to anymore, and she's blaming Peggy for going another route.

They also hit two different breaking points. Joan lost it after the vending machine incident, when she realized that she doesn't really have any authority - Joey doesn't even pretend to care about her place in the office hierarchy. She's fine after the picture, and she's fine in the elevator. She's a little mad at Peggy for having some power and wielding it, so she's sharp with her, but I don't think she's faking her nonchalance at that point. She had her cry and she's over it, for now anyway. I don't think she was even telling Peggy she shouldn't have fired Joey, just that she shouldn't expect Joan to be grateful that she did. They aren't allies, their positions are too different.

I see what you are saying, though I didn't perceive that she was really fine after the picture. No one who says to a group of individuals that she doesn't like them and that she won't mourn them when they die isn't fine.

I think she decided to wait them out.

You're right, not fine. Resigned, maybe. that that was all she could do and she'd best convince herself it didn't matter.

I wonder if we will see Joan go through a version of the transformation that Peggy has gone through.

she might if she becomes a widow or has a husband who is seriously disabled/impaired.

She had that little glimpse of what she could do when she was reading scripts. it would be a little surprising if another opportunity opened up for her, but it would make me happy.

I think Joan is likely to become more and more anti-feminist. A strong thread in this show is the building of the America that supported Nixon.

I think Joan is likely to become more and more anti-feminist. A strong thread in this show is the building of the America that supported Nixon.

Huh. I'm the other way. Joan's like a lot of women managers I worked for in the eighties who started as secretaries in the sixties. She's smart and competent and will have some feminist consciousness raising, but will always have some conflicted feelings about her worth being tied to her sexual desirability.

I think in the real world you are right. But I'm guessing that is the way the show will go.

So I was watching "The Closer" last night an around the 45 minute mark I wondered: "do they have the balls to off nearly the entire team and make this the series ender?" I really thought for a second they were going to go out like that.

They didn't, and I found the ending to be a little weak, but I sure did perk up there for a minute.