I couldn't believe it the first twenty times you told us, but it's starting to sink in now.

Riley ,'Lessons'


Cable Drama: Still Waiting for the Cable Guy to Show Up with the Thread Name...

To be determined... (but it's definitely [NAFDA])


amych - Sep 07, 2007 4:37:22 pm PDT #505 of 11998
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I think Dishonest Man is Dick/Don's dad.

Yes.

And did everyone notice that the hobo was Father Phil from The Sopranos?

No. Another rewatch (darnit!)


sumi - Sep 07, 2007 4:38:42 pm PDT #506 of 11998
Art Crawl!!!

Maybe sometime inbetween the Hobo thing and the birth of Adam - Dishonest Man died so that even though Adam and Dick/Don are half-siblings, Adam wasn't raised by his father.


DavidS - Sep 07, 2007 7:19:46 pm PDT #507 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Mad Man historical note:

I was doing some wikipedia research on all the writers/artists who were working in Manhattan after WWII from the late forties through early sixties. I'm fascinated with the image of such a tight concentration of talent that didn't flourish until later.

So this list includes novelists William Gaddis (PR guy), Joseph Heller (advertising copywriter), Edward Gorey (book design), Diane Arbus (fashion photography), Stanley Kubrick (photographer for Time), Andy Warhol (fashion and catalog illustration) and many others. Anyway, following the link from Heller I came across this bit about suspense novelist Mary Higgins Clark:

Soon after (her brother) Joseph died, Clark graduated from high school and chose to attend Wood Secretarial School on a partial scholarship. After completing her coursework the following year, she accepted a job as the secretary to the head of the creative department in the internal advertising division at Remington-Rand. She soon enrolled in evening classes to learn more about advertising and promotion. Her growing skills, as well as her natural beauty, were noticed by her boss and others in the company, and her job was expanded to include writing catalog copy (alongside future novelist Joseph Heller) and to model for the company brochures with a then-unknown Grace Kelly.

Cool, huh? Sort of half Peggy and half Joan. Clark later went on to snag the glamour job of the era, Pan Am Stewerdess, before she got married.

According to one memoir I read, guys like Heller and Gaddis were allowed to work on their novels in the morning and do their regular jobs in the afternoon.


sumi - Sep 07, 2007 7:26:18 pm PDT #508 of 11998
Art Crawl!!!

Interviews with:

Jon Hamm, Christina Hendricks and Bryan Batt of Mad Men.


Liese S. - Sep 07, 2007 7:37:55 pm PDT #509 of 11998
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Those are awesome interviews, sumi, thanks.

And someone needs to get Christina over here. She's clearly a proto-Buffista. She mentions Top Chef and Firefly both!


erikaj - Sep 07, 2007 7:53:06 pm PDT #510 of 11998
Always Anti-fascist!

Bad Sopranos fan! No Cannoli. Cause I did think "I've heard him before," but that it.


le nubian - Sep 07, 2007 8:10:30 pm PDT #511 of 11998
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

do you all really think that was Don Draper's father? I thought he had no relation to him at all given the way the man treated the boy.


sumi - Sep 08, 2007 5:27:38 am PDT #512 of 11998
Art Crawl!!!

You don't think he was just a bad father? I mean - seriously -- he totally looks like Jon Hamm. Why would they cast like that if he isn't meant to be the father?


Jon B. - Sep 08, 2007 6:53:24 am PDT #513 of 11998
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

A man knocks up a prostitute who dies in childbirth(?) and, through guilt, agrees to take in and raise the child. I can totally see such a man being abusive and treating the kid as unwanted.


le nubian - Sep 08, 2007 12:01:28 pm PDT #514 of 11998
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Jon,

I can't imagine Don Draper's mother really is a prostitute. I think his father was cuckolded.

Sumi, for some reason I didn't think the man looked that much like Hamm, but maybe I need to rewatch!