Angel: How're you feeling? Faith: Like I did mushrooms and got eaten by a bear.

'A Hole in the World'


Cable Drama: Still Waiting for the Cable Guy to Show Up with the Thread Name...

To be determined... (but it's definitely [NAFDA])


Vortex - Dec 06, 2009 9:02:08 pm PST #3744 of 11998
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Also, what happened to Tara (I think I missed it).

Nothing. He left her alive. She ended up crying on Hale's shoulder.


§ ita § - Dec 07, 2009 2:42:49 pm PST #3745 of 11998
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Alan Sepinwall likes Men Of A Certain Age. So to speak.


Vortex - Dec 07, 2009 6:07:48 pm PST #3746 of 11998
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Andre Braugher has man boobs. That does not bode well for the show.


le nubian - Dec 07, 2009 6:15:07 pm PST #3747 of 11998
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

he does not. I refuse to believe that. lalalalala.


Aims - Dec 07, 2009 6:17:28 pm PST #3748 of 11998
Shit's all sorts of different now.

I don't think I can write my Mad Men paper. I'm having a really hard time with it.


megan walker - Dec 07, 2009 6:30:25 pm PST #3749 of 11998
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Maybe you need to get into the spirit(s) of things. Have an old-fashioned.


DavidS - Dec 07, 2009 7:12:32 pm PST #3750 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

What's your thesis, Aimee? What are you referencing in the show? What's your outline look like? What are your examples?

We can help!


erikaj - Dec 08, 2009 4:12:13 am PST #3751 of 11998
Always Anti-fascist!

I also liked "Men"...but in a lot of ways it seems like Sepinwall and I share taste. I give all the actors some credit, though for not just wanting to repeat what made them famous. Even Romano is sticking his neck out somewhat.


Aims - Dec 08, 2009 4:31:18 am PST #3752 of 11998
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Here are the points I want to make:

  • Betty Draper looks like the quintessential 1960's wife and mother, but she's having a hard time fitting into the mold that her upbringing, the time period, and her family wants her fit into.

  • But for realsies, she's pissed off that she's "only a woman" and doesn't have the resources to change her life that men have.

  • Because she doesn't have those resources, she uses the one tool she thinks she has - her gender. Primarily, she uses it for sex which, for her, is something she uses to bolster her self-esteem, get revenge at Don, and help her escape from the life she hates.

  • She also seemingly lacks the ability to nurture her children. She's awkward, dismissive, disdainful, and cold to her children.

  • But even though she appears to fit into French's outlaw female profile, at the heart of it her intentions aren't to emasculate or undermine the male power, but to find her own power and make her way on somewhat equal ground.

t reads over points

What a bunch of pretentious crap.


le nubian - Dec 08, 2009 4:49:38 am PST #3753 of 11998
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Aims,

okay, to press you a little bit...

Betty Draper is perhaps unlike many housewives and mothers of that era because she was somewhat worldly before she got married. She had a bit of a career modeling, she spent time overseas. You see her yearning for a more cosmopolitan life at several points throughout the series. There are two points that come particularly to mind in the current season:

a) when Don thinks he is going to be promoted to England and talks to Betty about it, you can see she is thrilled with the idea.

b) When they both go to Rome (?) and have a marvelous time.

I think she is at once trying to be the wife and mother that society expects, but not willing to say openly (until toward the end) that she wants more - and does so by becoming involved in local politics.

What is interesting to me (my field is social science and not humanities, so I can't really help you with analyses in this way I guess) is how the show plays with notions of female desire as compared with what you see on modern tv. Joan is not a Size 0 and she is revered. Betty is obviously a mother, but this does not dampen her sexual power to other men. Don Draper is dealing with his own madonna/whore anxieties, but that isn't necessarily how Betty is scene by the characters around her including Roger (!) and her new, creepy man.