Just call me the computer whisperer.

Willow ,'Lessons'


Cable Drama: Still Waiting for the Cable Guy to Show Up with the Thread Name...

To be determined... (but it's definitely [NAFDA])


Jon B. - Nov 09, 2009 10:43:43 am PST #3593 of 11998
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

it was structured sort of like a caper movie

We noticed the same thing, right down to the low-key incidental music.


Glamcookie - Nov 09, 2009 10:52:31 am PST #3594 of 11998
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

Also, how nice was it to see Don and Roger mending their relationship? Love!


DavidS - Nov 09, 2009 11:02:37 am PST #3595 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Ooh subtle tidbit gleaned at Sepinwall: Trudy got her father to give back the Clearasil account to Pete. That's how he made his allotment.

Trudy and Pete's marriage is this really intriguing, rather odd thing. But I like it, and her character's growth.


Hayden - Nov 09, 2009 11:08:26 am PST #3596 of 11998
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

God, I was hating Betty when she was sitting there with Henry meeting with the divorce lawyer. She's making a huge fucking mistake. Not necessarily in leaving Don, but in going to Henry. Who won't cheat and will love her, but will in many ways be so much more constraining and limiting to her life.

She's like Jimmy Stewart's wife in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence! Or maybe not, but that analogy just struck me.


DavidS - Nov 09, 2009 12:20:55 pm PST #3597 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Another interesting bit was the whole stealing the office portion of the story.

My friend Frank (Emmett's godfather) left a small law firm where he was one of three partners, and he basically had to do exactly the same thing. In fact, it would've been considered legal malpractice if he didn't sneak into the offices over the weekend and take all his client files.


le nubian - Nov 09, 2009 12:26:32 pm PST #3598 of 11998
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

If I didn't hate Pete so much for being such a bastard, I would dig his marriage with Trudy so much more. He is definitely a better person with her around.


-t - Nov 09, 2009 12:39:08 pm PST #3599 of 11998
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Trudy has really turned out to be pretty interesting.

So that's what the raised eyebrow over Clearasil meant. I'd forgotten that business.

I hope they don't skip too much time. I love the scrappy little brand-new ad agency. Don typing! Peggy not getting coffee! Roger fully awake and involved! Fantastic.


DavidS - Nov 09, 2009 12:47:14 pm PST #3600 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Pete Campbell is one of the most unprecedented characters I've seen on a TV show. He's weasely, and insecure and entitled and he's also (I suspect) borderline Asperger's syndrome. And yet, he's not unsympathetic for all his flaws and fuckery. He's human and complicated.

One of the huge abiding pleasures of this show is how Weiner builds these complex relationships, and this particular episode paid off on so many different histories.

That scene with Don and Peggy was amazing, because you could see it was breaking her heart to think he'd never talk to her again. And Don does love her - but not romantically. I don't know that he'd even identify it as "love." But a mixture of respect and concern and care and intimacy.

Rewatching the episode it was incredible to see all the harsh, harsh things everybody said to each other. But the really interesting part narratively was that everybody responded positively to those truthful moments. Like they were starving for the truth.

Like Bert needed to hear somebody tell him to go back to sleep old man. Or Roger to hear that what he really needed was a challenge - way more than a vacation. His life is already a permanent vacation. It's the work that makes it worthwhile. And he's a really good account man.

Roger tells Don that he doesn't value relationships, and Don takes that to heart. That's exactly how he woos Peggy and Pete - by valuing them. And it's so important to both of them to get Don's validation.


Jesse - Nov 09, 2009 1:02:21 pm PST #3601 of 11998
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

And yet, he's not unsympathetic for all his flaws and fuckery. He's human and complicated.

True of so many of the characters.


Liese S. - Nov 09, 2009 1:13:45 pm PST #3602 of 11998
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Yeah, they are all energized by it. And Don probably the most out of it. It's crazy that it happened with the timing it did in his life, but he was about to be completely unavailable to the family with his complete engagement in this new agency.

Trudy & Pete are so interesting. At the start of the show, they were like the little proto Don & Betty's, playing at being a married couple. But that little glance that Don gives Trudy is so telling. And yet, he's about to be so happy with the work he's doing.

Again, I love that I never have any idea where this show is going. It's so wild how it ended up where it did, but it's also so organic that it did. Lots of storytelling payoff.