Faith: A kid. Angel's got a kid. Wesley: Connor. Faith: A teenage kid born last year. Wesley: I told you, he grew up in a hell dimension. Faith: Right. And what, Cordelia spent her last summer as… Wesley: A divine being. Faith: Uh-huh. Can I just ask--What the hell are you people doing?

'Why We Fight'


Cable Drama: Still Waiting for the Cable Guy to Show Up with the Thread Name...

To be determined... (but it's definitely [NAFDA])


Vortex - Oct 26, 2009 9:28:16 am PDT #3498 of 11998
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

don't you see him as more of a deserter, though?

oh, I can see that as well.


Theodosia - Oct 26, 2009 10:43:49 am PDT #3499 of 11998
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I'd give no better than 50-50 odds for him washing out of basic training, most probably for either insubordination or something careless that gets another soldier injured or killed.

Joan should be an account executive -- she's got the people skills and the business sense, both.


DavidS - Oct 26, 2009 10:45:24 am PDT #3500 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

A very satisfying clip of Joan whacking Dr. Rapey McFailuredouche with the vase.

I kind of loved that Roger worked the phones for her.

Hamm's acting in this was superb, but also the way they lit his face after he was all broken was interesting. They caught the angles of his cheek so he looked hollowed out, like a Dorothea Lange portrait.


Theodosia - Oct 26, 2009 10:51:09 am PDT #3501 of 11998
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

He really looked harrowed.

Thanks for the GIF!


DavidS - Oct 26, 2009 12:12:54 pm PDT #3502 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Interesting tidbit from Sepinwall's blog:

I spent some time with Slattery and his wife Talia Balsam (who plays Mona) at AMC's press tour party in late July, and we got to talking about whether Roger had settled - that he wanted Joan and wound up with Jane. And Slattery, who thinks about the character a lot more than I do, said he didn't believe so. He felt that when Roger, after his season one heart attack, told Joan, "You are the finest piece of ass I have ever had, and I don't care who knows it," that wasn't just Roger being crude, but Roger expressing the depth of his feelings for her. Joan was a great time for Roger, but she was also strong-willed and tough and more serious than Roger ever wanted to be, and despite his promises to leave Mona for her, perhaps he always knew this wouldn't work in the long-term.

That makes sense to me. Joan is too serious for Roger - or at least the Roger whose backstory we get here. Rich kid, bopping around Europe living out his Moveable Feast. The fact that Jane is carefree is what he loves about her. I didn't realize Mona was played by Slattery's wife though!


DavidS - Oct 26, 2009 12:21:37 pm PDT #3503 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Also, whenever I hear "Where Is Love" I remember a cold night where a girl was standing under my apartment window waiting for a bus and singing that song. She had a gorgeous voice, and was obviously not afraid to show it at the bus stop.


Vortex - Oct 26, 2009 12:55:36 pm PDT #3504 of 11998
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Joan is too serious for Roger - or at least the Roger whose backstory we get here.

I don't get serious, per se, but would have too many expectations of Roger. With Jane, he has a beautiful girl on his arm who doesn't ask questions, and doesn't want too much of him. Joan would have expectations, and you can be damned sure that she wouldn't tolerate him cheating, whereas Jane might.


sj - Oct 26, 2009 4:22:21 pm PDT #3505 of 11998
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Hec, thanks for the clip, I can't watch that scene enough.

I loved how honest Don was when he was finally caught. Not completely honest, but he didn't try to cover the truth or sugarcoat it as much I expected him to.

Also, did anyone else get the feeling that when Roger was talking about "The One", that Joan was his "The One" and that Jane is a substitute?

ITA, and I said as much to TCG before I came here to see what others thought of the episode.


Jesse - Oct 26, 2009 5:00:20 pm PDT #3506 of 11998
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Holy shit, Mad Men. Damn, Don. DAMN, Joan!! Phew.

I don't get serious, per se, but would have too many expectations of Roger. With Jane, he has a beautiful girl on his arm who doesn't ask questions, and doesn't want too much of him.

I agree with this. I think he really just wants to have fun in his personal life.


-t - Oct 26, 2009 6:56:30 pm PDT #3507 of 11998
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Whew. And that's not the season finale.