Well, look at you. All dressed up in big sister's clothes.

Faith ,'End of Days'


Cable Drama: Still Waiting for the Cable Guy to Show Up with the Thread Name...

To be determined... (but it's definitely [NAFDA])


Polter-Cow - Jul 21, 2009 10:14:24 am PDT #2526 of 11998
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Ah, gotcha. "She's not perfect! Her life sucks! The end."


beekaytee - Jul 21, 2009 10:17:54 am PDT #2527 of 11998
Compassionately intolerant

Joshua Malina is such an exquisite actor and has the strength to stand up to Mary in an incredibly non-confrontational manner.

His speech at the end of this week's episode was pretty much what I've been wanting to say, were I to know Mary irl. Repressed resentment pops out all over the place and it isn't the family's fault! Yes, they are, or were, monumental screw ups...be mad about that...but acting like everybody sucks doesn't help make you any happier.

I also hate that the producers feel that women have to have a fucked up personal life in order to have a successful career.

I totally agree, but imagining the storylines of a lot of my favorite shows, were they to follow this idea and relieve the main characters of their angst...yeah, no show...no show, and um, no show. Though, with the big changes in Mary's emotional stressers this season, they may be working toward something intrinsically more healthful for her. It certainly seems to be working for Brandi and Jinx.


beekaytee - Jul 21, 2009 10:21:10 am PDT #2528 of 11998
Compassionately intolerant

I stand corrected where Bones is concerned. Brennan isn't screwed up, is actually quite successful...and we like that about her.

But, Life, Lie to Me, Sarah Connor, can't think what those women would be without their demons.


erikaj - Jul 21, 2009 10:24:07 am PDT #2529 of 11998
Always Anti-fascist!

Well, sorta. Extra bonus if they can give her Hollywood Stupid Hair too(Another reason why Kay Howard from Homicide is still my favorite. Even though admitting she had an affair with her training officer would seem to put her on track for a Crappy Personal life, a few eps later, she's into Ed Danvers and telling all of law enforcement Baltimore he's a stallion. Which I halfway think is a joke, sorry Mr. Ivanek.)


Vortex - Jul 21, 2009 10:25:02 am PDT #2530 of 11998
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

If the demons are part of the story, then fine. Take "Saving Grace" for example. The whole point of the show is her demons. But, it's not stupid bullshit like Mary's car always breaking down.


beekaytee - Jul 21, 2009 10:40:01 am PDT #2531 of 11998
Compassionately intolerant

But, it's not stupid bullshit like Mary's car always breaking down.

I totally forgot that used to happen. And I see that point.

I think the writing has matured from having dumb stuff happen to underscore Mary's fatalistic viewpoint to showing us why Mary's viewpoint is so skewed.

It came to a head at the end of last season when EVERYone around her made such boneheaded mistakes at her expense...but she kept protecting them...that I nearly left the show. It was excruciating.

It doesn't feel that way anymore because we see why loyalty...even resentment soaked loyalty...is so important to her.


Scrappy - Jul 21, 2009 10:44:32 am PDT #2532 of 11998
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

I think fucked-up personal life is the chic thing for protagonists of both sexes ever since The Sopranos. House, Lie to Me, The Shield, CSI, Monk, Life, NYPD Blue, etc. etc.


§ ita § - Jul 21, 2009 10:46:35 am PDT #2533 of 11998
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Yeah, angst behind the scenes isn't just for chicks, although I think they tend to give women flaws in different ways, both genders get their demons.

Speaking of Monk, they're really playing up the goodbye with the final season. I don't watch it regularly anymore, but I'm starting to feel sad about it.


Vortex - Jul 21, 2009 10:54:17 am PDT #2534 of 11998
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Yeah, angst behind the scenes isn't just for chicks, although I think they tend to give women flaws in different ways, both genders get their demons.

True, but women tend to get incompetence (i.e. she's always running late, her car breaks down, she can't find her keys, etc.) more than personal demons.


erikaj - Jul 21, 2009 10:55:32 am PDT #2535 of 11998
Always Anti-fascist!

And of course "Rescue Me" sets a new standard, all by itself, for Fucked.