First of all, 'Posse?' Passé

Cordelia ,'Potential'


Cable Drama: Still Waiting for the Cable Guy to Show Up with the Thread Name...

To be determined... (but it's definitely [NAFDA])


megan walker - Sep 01, 2008 6:32:53 am PDT #1278 of 11998
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

That was so mean. Poor doggie.

I don't even like animals and I felt bad for that dog. Poor Chauncey. Perfect preppy dog name too. The WASP references sure were out in force this episode: the duck paraphernalia, St. Pauls, Fishers, etc. Classic.


quester - Sep 01, 2008 6:36:34 am PDT #1279 of 11998
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

That last moment with Don and his daughter in the bathroom was really chilling and beautifully played. I'm never sure what is going on in his head but there was a profound...something happening there!


Liese S. - Sep 01, 2008 6:37:55 am PDT #1280 of 11998
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

The thing with Peggy is that it's always such a balancing act. Joan is right in that Peggy dresses and speaks like a little girl and wants to be treated like a man. I'm glad that whatshername told Peggy not to try to be a man, because I think she would have been vulnerable to that.

But still, when she dressed up and turned up at the club, that took nerve. But then she didn't demand to be treated as an equal; she sat on the client's lap. She was being treated as a woman, but not as a businesswoman. Small steps, I guess.

I missed Duck's intro to the show, I think. I've noticed that I tend to ignore any time he's on the screen. So I was confused with the turning out of the dog. Of course, I was watching it with my dog asleep on my lap, so it's unforgivable.

What else? Oh, the bondage. Kinda disappointing bondage. At least that conversation explains her strong coming on to him, and the motive was sexual originally, not business. Why is Don surprised he has a reputation? He hasn't spent a day on this show without a mistress, one would imagine he hasn't in a long time.


SailAweigh - Sep 01, 2008 6:55:12 am PDT #1281 of 11998
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

I think Don suffers much from the Madonna/whore complex. Betty only wears fluffy, cute, girly clothes (his reaction to the swimsuit), his wife must be Ceasar's wife for him to maintain the Don Draper persona. But he beds worldly, furprint wearing women, because that's what he really wants. I think the only woman that was a true anomaly for him was Rachel.


sumi - Sep 01, 2008 8:26:16 am PDT #1282 of 11998
Art Crawl!!!

I was so sad for Chauncey. He did not deserve that and they cast an older IS with a cute graying face too. (Good casting - you could imagine Duck and family picking up a puppy when they were all about a decade younger and much happier.)

I think that Peggy doesn't really know how to act as a grown up business woman so she's still testing the waters.


Jon B. - Sep 01, 2008 9:19:23 am PDT #1283 of 11998
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

That last moment with Don and his daughter in the bathroom was really chilling and beautifully played. I'm never sure what is going on in his head but there was a profound...something happening there!

I'd have to rewatch to remember exactly, but my impression was that Sally (the daughter) said something to him that echoed something Bobbie had said to him earlier. Aughhh... I really need to rewatch. Such a dense episode!

The Decemberists in the opening really took me out of the moment. Have they used contemporary (as opposed to period) music before?


sumi - Sep 01, 2008 10:24:49 am PDT #1284 of 11998
Art Crawl!!!

I don't recall them using contemporary music before - it was an odd choice.


le nubian - Sep 01, 2008 11:23:21 am PDT #1285 of 11998
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I was wondering why I didn't recognize the song. Never heard of the Decemberists!


Barb - Sep 01, 2008 12:11:53 pm PDT #1286 of 11998
“Not dead yet!”

Just watched the ep.

Want Duck to suffer the tortures of the damned, preferably public. I sat there, through that whole ep, with a feeling of dread because I just knew that the selfish SOB would do something.

The final shot of Don was brilliantly framed, with the reflection.

I'd have to rewatch to remember exactly, but my impression was that Sally (the daughter) said something to him that echoed something Bobbie had said to him earlier.

He kept telling Bobbie to stop talking and she didn't, continually exposing his "reputation." (I love the ambiguity of not being sure whether he really didn't remember the Random House hookup or if that he's got a rep to the point where people are bragging about having slept with him.)

Then, when Sally said that she wouldn't talk, because she didn't want him to cut himself, I think hit him hard on a lot of different levels, the first being of course, echoing his words to Bobbie.

I think, too, that some of it may well have been wrapped up in his reaction to Betty and her bikini. Lots of layers in this ep.


DavidS - Sep 01, 2008 1:13:37 pm PDT #1287 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I also found the Decembrists jolting. Though the use of Dylan at the end of S1 was anachronistic too.

I'm not sure exactly what was going on with Don and Sally there. Definitely related to him telling Bobbie not to talk. Also, when the servicemen stood up, his daughter was looking up at him with such undiluted adoration and he clearly didn't feel worthy of it. Though he did serve in battle, he doesn't feel like a war hero and knows his whole identity is false.

I think it's him feeling a hollowness very acutely.

You ever noticed how Don never apologizes? Like when Peggy has to remind him to pay back the bail money?

The more I watch, the more I'm taken with VK's performance. Pete is no generic weasel. Ken is closer to that - though he has the fiction writing dimension. Pete's got that weird knack to always say or do the thing which is exactly wrong by a quarter inch.