I think what my daughter's trying to say is: nyah nyah nyah nyah.

Joyce ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Cable Drama: Still Waiting for the Cable Guy to Show Up with the Thread Name...

To be determined... (but it's definitely [NAFDA])


sumi - Sep 01, 2008 8:26:16 am PDT #1282 of 11998
Art Crawl!!!

I was so sad for Chauncey. He did not deserve that and they cast an older IS with a cute graying face too. (Good casting - you could imagine Duck and family picking up a puppy when they were all about a decade younger and much happier.)

I think that Peggy doesn't really know how to act as a grown up business woman so she's still testing the waters.


Jon B. - Sep 01, 2008 9:19:23 am PDT #1283 of 11998
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

That last moment with Don and his daughter in the bathroom was really chilling and beautifully played. I'm never sure what is going on in his head but there was a profound...something happening there!

I'd have to rewatch to remember exactly, but my impression was that Sally (the daughter) said something to him that echoed something Bobbie had said to him earlier. Aughhh... I really need to rewatch. Such a dense episode!

The Decemberists in the opening really took me out of the moment. Have they used contemporary (as opposed to period) music before?


sumi - Sep 01, 2008 10:24:49 am PDT #1284 of 11998
Art Crawl!!!

I don't recall them using contemporary music before - it was an odd choice.


le nubian - Sep 01, 2008 11:23:21 am PDT #1285 of 11998
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I was wondering why I didn't recognize the song. Never heard of the Decemberists!


Barb - Sep 01, 2008 12:11:53 pm PDT #1286 of 11998
“Not dead yet!”

Just watched the ep.

Want Duck to suffer the tortures of the damned, preferably public. I sat there, through that whole ep, with a feeling of dread because I just knew that the selfish SOB would do something.

The final shot of Don was brilliantly framed, with the reflection.

I'd have to rewatch to remember exactly, but my impression was that Sally (the daughter) said something to him that echoed something Bobbie had said to him earlier.

He kept telling Bobbie to stop talking and she didn't, continually exposing his "reputation." (I love the ambiguity of not being sure whether he really didn't remember the Random House hookup or if that he's got a rep to the point where people are bragging about having slept with him.)

Then, when Sally said that she wouldn't talk, because she didn't want him to cut himself, I think hit him hard on a lot of different levels, the first being of course, echoing his words to Bobbie.

I think, too, that some of it may well have been wrapped up in his reaction to Betty and her bikini. Lots of layers in this ep.


DavidS - Sep 01, 2008 1:13:37 pm PDT #1287 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I also found the Decembrists jolting. Though the use of Dylan at the end of S1 was anachronistic too.

I'm not sure exactly what was going on with Don and Sally there. Definitely related to him telling Bobbie not to talk. Also, when the servicemen stood up, his daughter was looking up at him with such undiluted adoration and he clearly didn't feel worthy of it. Though he did serve in battle, he doesn't feel like a war hero and knows his whole identity is false.

I think it's him feeling a hollowness very acutely.

You ever noticed how Don never apologizes? Like when Peggy has to remind him to pay back the bail money?

The more I watch, the more I'm taken with VK's performance. Pete is no generic weasel. Ken is closer to that - though he has the fiction writing dimension. Pete's got that weird knack to always say or do the thing which is exactly wrong by a quarter inch.


sj - Sep 01, 2008 1:20:16 pm PDT #1288 of 11998
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I'd like to think that when Don's daughter said thr line about not talking that Don was thinking that he hoped no one would ever treat his daughter the way he treated Bobbie.


Barb - Sep 01, 2008 1:29:00 pm PDT #1289 of 11998
“Not dead yet!”

The more I watch, the more I'm taken with VK's performance. Pete is no generic weasel. Ken is closer to that - though he has the fiction writing dimension. Pete's got that weird knack to always say or do the thing which is exactly wrong by a quarter inch.

I think it goes back to what we were talking about last week, with Pete-- it's an act. He so clearly doesn't know who he is and I don't think that he even knows who he wants to be, other than not like his own father.

The pervasive image I always get of Pete-- odd though it may be, is that of when a little girl clomps around in her Mommy's oversized heels and haphazardly applied makeup, talking to her dolls the way she hears her mother talking to others.


Wolfram - Sep 01, 2008 3:10:11 pm PDT #1290 of 11998
Visilurking

The final shot of Don was brilliantly framed, with the reflection.

I thought that shot was a beautiful contrast to the episode's theme and title - "Maidenform". Throughout we see subtle and blatant references to the female body - from the first shot of Betty and Joan dressing, to the bra models, to the fashion show, to Betty's swimsuit, to Peggy's dressing like a girl then a woman - I'm sure I'm forgetting some. But the last shot was Don - male, naked and vulnerable.

I think it goes back to what we were talking about last week, with Pete-- it's an act.

This is my read too. He's constantly trying to measure his behavior and appearance and comes off as awkwardly unnatural. Last week, when the fertility doc was questioning him, I think he kept looking for assurances that his answers were "normal". He also tries to latch on to a mentor so badly, whether Don, Duck, or whoever - a boy who had a father but clearly lacked a daddy.


SailAweigh - Sep 01, 2008 8:00:57 pm PDT #1291 of 11998
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

He so clearly doesn't know who he is and I don't think that he even knows who he wants to be, other than not like his own father.

This showed up so well when he asked Duck if he should bring a dog to the office, yet he doesn't have a dog. It would all be for show, which is all Pete is capable of. When his father died and he said he didn't know how to feel, it's not just about his father, it's everything. When his brother said to him that his mother had been saying nice things and then took it back, Pete had no problem with it. He's never been encouraged to believe in himself or that he has anything positive to contribute. As much of a shitweasel as he is, he's the one I can most forgive.

But the last shot was Don - male, naked and vulnerable.

Not just that, but he was wearing a pink towel. Naked and feminized. Helpless. Something Don does not like feeling at all.