Don't belong. Dangerous, like you. Can't be controlled. Can't be trusted. Everyone could just go on without me and not have to worry. People could be what they wanted to be. Could be with the people they wanted. Live simple. No secrets.

River ,'Objects In Space'


Cable Drama: Still Waiting for the Cable Guy to Show Up with the Thread Name...

To be determined... (but it's definitely [NAFDA])


le nubian - May 07, 2013 11:37:29 am PDT #10811 of 11998
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

The other question I had was if Jaguar had been retained but they lost Vick's that would have been a bit of a pickle. Don *and* Pete fucked up really badly.

Also, Roger has had to smooth things over after Don's actions before. So why they thought it was a good idea not to have Pete along...bizarre.


sumi - May 07, 2013 11:45:16 am PDT #10812 of 11998
Art Crawl!!!

What is the connection between Vick's and Jaguar? Was the Jaguar guy a friend of Pete's father in law?


Jessica - May 07, 2013 11:50:43 am PDT #10813 of 11998
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Jaguar was their prestige account, Vick's was the biggest moneymaker. So losing only Jaguar would have been bad, but not catastrophic for the IPO. Losing Vick's is a huge blow to their (potential) stock price.


sumi - May 07, 2013 12:00:13 pm PDT #10814 of 11998
Art Crawl!!!

Oh, okay.

Although I must admit I'm not sure how they - running a national campaign for Jaguar wound up trying to cater to a local Jaguar dealer. (At least that's what Jag dude seemed like to me.)


DavidS - May 07, 2013 1:25:26 pm PDT #10815 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Although I must admit I'm not sure how they - running a national campaign for Jaguar wound up trying to cater to a local Jaguar dealer.

Herb was the head of the Dealer's Association which was putting up half the money for the campaign along with Jaguar proper (the English guys).


Vortex - May 07, 2013 4:04:29 pm PDT #10816 of 11998
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

The other question I had was if Jaguar had been retained but they lost Vick's that would have been a bit of a pickle. Don *and* Pete fucked up really badly.

Well, in all fairness to Pete, he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. His problem is that he thought that it was MAD as Ken said, it was his wife's father. All bets are off when it comes to his little girl.

Of course, the dad is short sighted in not realizing that in screwing Pete, he's screwing Trudy. He would have been better off forcing them to pull Pete off the account so that people would have realized that Pete did something, but he would still be making money.

Also, Roger has had to smooth things over after Don's actions before. So why they thought it was a good idea not to have Pete along...bizarre.

Maybe Herb doesn't like Pete?


-t - May 07, 2013 4:05:30 pm PDT #10817 of 11998
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

So why they thought it was a good idea not to have Pete along...bizarre.

Herb didn't want Pete there, I think? Roger said something along those lines.

So much cloak&dagger no one telling anyone else what they were doing stuff going on!


sj - May 07, 2013 4:09:19 pm PDT #10818 of 11998
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Well, in all fairness to Pete, he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. His problem is that he thought that it was MAD as Ken said, it was his wife's father. All bets are off when it comes to his little girl.

Which was a nice parallel to earlier when Pete said something to Trudy about sex being the best thing they had together and Trudy pointed out that, no that would be their daughter. I'm not sure Pete really understands why Trudy's father would do what he did. And he didn't seem to have that kind of relationship with his own parents either.


DavidS - May 07, 2013 4:12:37 pm PDT #10819 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Of course, the dad is short sighted in not realizing that in screwing Pete, he's screwing Trudy.

I'm sure he'd prefer having the marriage ended and Trudy and his granddaughter living at home with him.

That's why he said that Pete "would do the right thing." Which is to say, he knew Pete would tattle on him because that's how Pete is. And he knew that would end the marriage.


le nubian - May 07, 2013 4:25:31 pm PDT #10820 of 11998
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Well, in all fairness to Pete, he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Well, no fairness to him, if he had gone to his FIL hat in hand and mentioned how much he loved Trudy and offered to have Roger take over the acct, I think his FIL would have reconsidered.