That's beautiful. Or taken literally, incredibly gross.

Buffy ,'Potential'


Natter 52: Playing with a full deck?  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Scrappy - Jul 23, 2007 1:05:10 pm PDT #9595 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Speaking as someone who does a lot of interviewing--any good hiring person is trying to look beyond "interviewing" skills. Sure, a lot of the questions are lame, but it's what we got to work with. In hiring, you use the interview as a tool to try to learn as much as you can about the applicant, stuff you can only learn face-to-face. You don't have to be totally cool, calm and collected--interviewers expect you to be nervous, so that's okay. Most jobs require keeping a cool head, so if you can still converse intelligently even if you are nervous, that's a good sign. Someone, for example, who has come into an interview without doing any research on the company (which a question like "What interests you about this job?" is designed to elicit) is not going to get a job here.

The people on the other side of the table want to hire someone who is a good fit for the company, so they are using the stilted interview process to find out whether you are that person--and any help you can give them by giving answers which reveal what they want to know will be very welcome. Even bad interviewers want to hire good people. Good, of course, varies from job to job and company to company.

You don't have to be glib or fake, but you do have to be smart and able to roll with the punches. In essence, interviewing is having a conversation with a stranger and trying to show off your best traits--something that is not natural but is worth practicing and learning to do well.


Kathy A - Jul 23, 2007 1:15:52 pm PDT #9596 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

One of my more interesting interviews was the one I had that got me hired here 15 years ago this November. It was with the woman who is my boss now, again (the circle goes around), and she had been a manager here for only a few months. She's a great woman, very nice and a great manager, but she is a bit nervous-acting at times, including during my interview. For some reason, that put me more at ease, and I basically took over the interview, answering the standard questions before she got around to asking them and being, not forceful per se, but let's say strong-willed. It got me hired, so it wasn't a bad move, but it could have backfired on me if she was the type to want to be in control at all times.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 23, 2007 1:34:57 pm PDT #9597 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Out of sheer delirium and an attempt to not get into a huge thing with the roomie who was conveniently absent, I let them...until one of them chirped, "I know, let's tie her roommate up! Tee hee."

It's just as well I lived at home and never roomed with anyone in college, because detectives would still be trying to find out what I did with all the bodies if anything like that had ever happened.


Sheryl - Jul 23, 2007 1:35:11 pm PDT #9598 of 10001
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Timelies all!

Weather's nice here. (Sorry, I don't have anything to add on the interviewing topic. It's been 7 years since I last did interviews, and I hope not to have to do any for a while longer)


ChiKat - Jul 23, 2007 1:44:18 pm PDT #9599 of 10001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

Speaking as another interviewer, Robin gives very good advice (and, really, are any of us surprised by that??).

in a gently-couched sort of way, what my circumstances are (since I"m looking for a job with relocation)--do I rent or own, do I have someone else who would also need to be relocated, etc e'tc.

I think for a recruiter those are fair questions. Some of the jobs I recently interviewed for had a residency requirement, so I was asked if I was aware of the residency requirement and would it be an issue. Again, fair question. They didn't any questions in any more detail than that.


§ ita § - Jul 23, 2007 1:51:47 pm PDT #9600 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Even bad interviewers want to hire good people. Good, of course, varies from job to job and company to company.

You're too kind. I've seen enough interviewers not know what good is, because they're not familiar enough with the position and there's an essential disconnect there.

You don't have to be glib or fake, but you do have to be smart and able to roll with the punches. In essence, interviewing is having a conversation with a stranger and trying to show off your best traits--something that is not natural but is worth practicing and learning to do well.

It's great if you can have a good conversation with a stranger and show yourself off, but it might also be irrelevant to your job duties.


Burrell - Jul 23, 2007 1:54:33 pm PDT #9601 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Your points, Robin, jibe well with my rather limited experience interviewing for academic jobs.


sarameg - Jul 23, 2007 1:55:54 pm PDT #9602 of 10001

So I was reading a week-old CSMonitor, and came across this story mentioned: [link]

Sounds sorta familiar.


Scrappy - Jul 23, 2007 2:00:11 pm PDT #9603 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

and show yourself off, but it might also be irrelevant to your job duties.

But the stuff you want to show off is stuff that IS relevant to your job duties. Whether that's knowledge of Sanskrit or an ability to schedule or a great sense of humor, that's what you want to show.


Jesse - Jul 23, 2007 2:01:14 pm PDT #9604 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Moving to how things go once you have the job, I guess some things are universal, like everything going to shit right before your vacation. Over the weekend, I got a notice that my super is going to be gone for three weeks starting tomorrow, so I got home from work tonight to find water dripping out of my bathroom ceiling! I felt really bad calling, but he was his usual lovely self. Turns out, the guy upstairs is installing a new sink. By himself. In what I can only believe is a rental apartment. Seriously?? So the super went to help him finish and try to stop the water. @@