If you want me to leave, you can put your hands on my hot, tight little body and make me.

Spike ,'Get It Done'


Natter 52: Playing with a full deck?  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Jul 23, 2007 1:51:47 pm PDT #9600 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Even bad interviewers want to hire good people. Good, of course, varies from job to job and company to company.

You're too kind. I've seen enough interviewers not know what good is, because they're not familiar enough with the position and there's an essential disconnect there.

You don't have to be glib or fake, but you do have to be smart and able to roll with the punches. In essence, interviewing is having a conversation with a stranger and trying to show off your best traits--something that is not natural but is worth practicing and learning to do well.

It's great if you can have a good conversation with a stranger and show yourself off, but it might also be irrelevant to your job duties.


Burrell - Jul 23, 2007 1:54:33 pm PDT #9601 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Your points, Robin, jibe well with my rather limited experience interviewing for academic jobs.


sarameg - Jul 23, 2007 1:55:54 pm PDT #9602 of 10001

So I was reading a week-old CSMonitor, and came across this story mentioned: [link]

Sounds sorta familiar.


Scrappy - Jul 23, 2007 2:00:11 pm PDT #9603 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

and show yourself off, but it might also be irrelevant to your job duties.

But the stuff you want to show off is stuff that IS relevant to your job duties. Whether that's knowledge of Sanskrit or an ability to schedule or a great sense of humor, that's what you want to show.


Jesse - Jul 23, 2007 2:01:14 pm PDT #9604 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Moving to how things go once you have the job, I guess some things are universal, like everything going to shit right before your vacation. Over the weekend, I got a notice that my super is going to be gone for three weeks starting tomorrow, so I got home from work tonight to find water dripping out of my bathroom ceiling! I felt really bad calling, but he was his usual lovely self. Turns out, the guy upstairs is installing a new sink. By himself. In what I can only believe is a rental apartment. Seriously?? So the super went to help him finish and try to stop the water. @@


sarameg - Jul 23, 2007 2:06:13 pm PDT #9605 of 10001

It seems that everytime I take a vacation since...um...2005? Something cataclysmic happens AT WORK. Layoffs, new jobs, family emergencies that take key people out of town suddenly, system meltdown....this one, well, there's already two. But they were talking about replacing the server this week, but I haven't heard anything further. So it may get closer to when I'm gone.

Um.


Emily - Jul 23, 2007 2:11:01 pm PDT #9606 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

I have these issues with wanting to please people in authority that always trips me up in interviews. This has absolutely nothing to do with how I teach, since I'm not concerned with pleasing my students in the same way.

That's not me disagreeing with anyone, I'm just bemoaning it.


brenda m - Jul 23, 2007 2:11:31 pm PDT #9607 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

For several years, every single time Minion went on vacation - even a long weekend - he'd come back to find someone either quit or got fired.


§ ita § - Jul 23, 2007 2:29:13 pm PDT #9608 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But the stuff you want to show off is stuff that IS relevant to your job duties.

Yes. All I'm saying is that the ability to show stuff off may be missing entirely, while you excel at your more strictly job-related tasks.

I see tech people interviewed by non-tech people way too often and some very strange decisions reached. Either they prefer the nerdy ones because tech people are nerdy or they don't like the nerdy ones because they won't talk, when all they need is someone who sleeps, eats, and breathes OSI levels.


tommyrot - Jul 23, 2007 2:32:41 pm PDT #9609 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

A while back I posted a link to an article about women active in the pro-life movement who have secret abortions themselves and yet continue to actively work to ban abortion. It was called "The Only Moral Abortion Is My Abortion" and was an infuriating look at hypocrisy.

Today I stumbled across the article again, or maybe a longer version of it. Part of the article was more hopeful - this letter really touched me.

Some anti-choice women who have abortions do make peace with their decision and even become pro-choice, or at least more forgiving of other women seeking abortions. A Louisiana patient who was anti-choice before her abortion, wrote a warm and grateful thank-you letter to the clinic, admitting that she had been a hypocrite:

"I never dreamed, in my wildest nightmares, that there would ever be a situation where I personally would choose such an act. Of course, we would each like to think that our reasons for a termination are the exception to the rule. But the bottom line is that you people spend your lives, reputations, careers and energy fighting for, maintaining, and providing an option that I needed, while I spent my energy lambasting you. Yet you still allowed me to make use of your services even though I had been one of your enemies. You treated us as kindly and warmly as you did all of your patients and never once pointed an 'I told you so' finger in our direction. I got the impression that you cared equally about each woman in the facility and what each woman was going through, regardless of her reasons for choosing the procedure. I have never met a group of purely non-judgmental people like yourselves."