sumi, that's not the trailer that aired after "Kiss Kiss Bang Bang" in the UK. The one Jon's referring to only had scenes post-episode 1.
Mal: Well, you were right about this being a bad idea. Zoe: Thanks for sayin', sir.
'Serenity'
Boxed Set, Vol. IV: It's always suicide-mission this, save-the-planet that.
A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.
Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.
Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.
This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.
Dana - Feb 04, 2008 10:29:48 am PST #9928 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
sumi - Feb 04, 2008 10:30:31 am PST #9929 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!
That one has (at least) scenes from episode 2.
§ ita § - Feb 04, 2008 11:04:56 am PST #9930 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
If the color of the "villain" in #2 is problematic, is the solution to recast and give the role to a white person instead? Is it only problematic because they had the black cybervillian last season? How long is a good enough gap between black villains, or how many white non-villains do you have to have inbetween (seems that the number is large than one)?
Needless to say, this didn't ping me much.
Dana - Feb 04, 2008 11:10:48 am PST #9931 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
I think it's less an issue of a gap than the fact that both were young black females, part of interracial couples, who were stripped of their humanity and taken over by aliens.
As I say, it didn't ping me either. It pinged Betsy hard.
Liese S. - Feb 04, 2008 11:57:20 am PST #9932 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."
Yeah, Dana hits it on the head for me.
But the more interesting bit is the way Jack is played against the backdrop of the conflict. If he is (high pressure tactics, aggressive, pain-inducing) supposed to be in the Right in this episode, then I am upset with the minority depiction because I am supposed to regard her as inhuman, a threat, to be immediately destroyed without thought to her humanity. But if he is wrong and Gwen is in the Right (empathetic, relationship-based, can we redeem) than I am fine with the character being minority, because I am supposed to regard her as human, respect her point of view, attempt to communicate with her.
Does that make any sense?
victor infante - Feb 04, 2008 12:05:33 pm PST #9933 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
Is it only problematic because they had the black cybervillian last season?
I'd actually normally be right there with you on this one, if it weren't for the Who/Torchwood franchise's more dominant habit, which is to cast tall, slim, attractive black women with killer cheekbones whenever possible. Not that I mind. Quite the contrary, actually.
In addition to the Cyberwoman and the Sleeper Agent, we've also got the cop that told off Jack and then helped them get out of their HQ, and over on "Who" we've got Martha, of course, in addition to the mom of the kid who could trap people in drawings, and a few others that I'm spacing on, but enough that I'd long-ago begun to think the casting directors have a "type."
Polter-Cow - Feb 04, 2008 12:18:37 pm PST #9934 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
There was also that chick in "The Long Game."
victor infante - Feb 04, 2008 12:26:59 pm PST #9935 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
There was also that chick in "The Long Game."
Oh, yeah. The journalist who eventually helped them defeat the editor.
Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 04, 2008 12:27:10 pm PST #9936 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
And the cop actress was also cast as Jabe very early in new Who.
§ ita § - Feb 04, 2008 12:30:26 pm PST #9937 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Hmm. You're right. That is exceedingly typey.
I'd like to hear more British takes on this. My background is terribly muddy, and I'm not sure what takes the credit/blame for me not being pinged. It's possible that it's really plausible for the writer to not be saying anything either over or under the text, and the intendend audience not reading in either way.