'Not Fade Away'
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Something I love about this episode -- Ianto is *so* upset. Sobbing, cursing, completely off-his-rocker upset.
But I think it's telling for his character, his relationship with the team, his process, that in the end he was unable to.
I suspect that he isn't long for the team. Which would mean losing two of the original five within the first season.
On the other hand, maybe he'll be replaced by someone that I can tell apart from Owen.
You can't tell Ianto from Owen?
t loves Liese
He would risk the whole universe, over and over again, for her, no matter how small the hope was.
That's really interesting, given (serious spoilers for later episodes) what Owen does to get Diane back, and what Gwen does when Rhys is killed.
No, I can't -- they look too much alike to me. What's the secret?
Well, to me they look completely different from each other. Owen has this very flat face with a large frog-like mouth and Ianto has a much more rounded face with a round baby-like forehead and a small mouth.
Definitely, Dana. You feel the censure coming from everyone (spoily, spoily, beware) and yet, put in the same position, they would do the same damn thing, and I bet they know it.
Ianto is somehow clearer to me. His grief and anger and priorities are all transparent, unabashed. There's this little chin-jut-out thing he does that conveys a sentiment not unlike Love's Bitch.
One of my favorite moments when rewatching the finale was (still big spoilers) when they were all facing off against Jack, and Jack reminded them of all the things they'd done to each other, including everyone shooting Lisa, Ianto shooting Owen, Gwen sleeping with Owen, and everyone ignoring Tosh. Serious emotional porn.
Owen has this very flat face with a large frog-like mouth
That mouth is freaky looking. He could play Gollum without makeup.
Ianto's good looking. Owen, so not.
I know, right? Because (so spoily your milk is turning into cheese) they go on, around all those things, because you have to go on. But they aren't ever forgotten, and Jack puts it all back in front of them. And it's so brutal.
It's one of the things I love about this show; that they all take so much damage, and it changes them, and they can't be the same people anymore in the face of it. And yet, there they are, human and wretched and flawed and having to deal with it all, you know?
Owen, so not.
Bwah! There are certain angles for Owen. But Ianto, well he's just Ianto, now isn't he...