I think it was decided to blackfont the BBCAmerica airing, as that's the official US release of the series.
You're a bloody puppet! You're a wee little puppet man!
Spike ,'Smile Time'
Boxed Set, Vol. IV: It's always suicide-mission this, save-the-planet that.
A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.
Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.
Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.
This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.
DCJensen - Oct 05, 2007 4:05:35 am PDT #7153 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.
Frankenbuddha - Oct 05, 2007 5:35:40 am PDT #7154 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
I think it was another nail in the "these people have no sense or morals" coffin.
See, that doesn't bother me much (well the lack-of-morals part I doesn't bother me, not the lack-of-sense, but I could identify with Ianto, and I don't think he understood the magnitude of the danger the Cybermen represented to the person being changed).
Also, Lisa is really sexualized in some unpleasant ways.
This I can see however. There does seem to be a touch of "let's be naughty because we can", I will admit. In an odd way, it reminds me of when Hammer movies started to really sex things up in the 70s, and the results were mostly embarassing, repressed and adolescent.
Polter-Cow - Oct 05, 2007 5:48:57 am PDT #7155 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Am I missing some horrific subtexty something on why this was an episode that would drive people from the show? I know Jack was seriously harsh, but not much more so than some of the stuff that the Doctor has done recently.
I think it was another nail in the "these people have no sense or morals" coffin. Which it's hard to disagree with.
Yeah, for me, Frank, it was that shot of the entire team pumping bullets into Lisa as if it were cool and not extremely disturbing. These are our protagonists?
Dana - Oct 05, 2007 5:51:12 am PDT #7156 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
Oh, really? To me, that was "Shoot her, shoot her now, shoot her dead very dead so she doesn't kill us all."
Polter-Cow - Oct 05, 2007 5:56:58 am PDT #7157 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
There was that too, but I found the image really off, especially because, if I recall, she didn't seem superduperdangerous at that point. And she was a not-threatening-looking woman. And they really didn't need a thousand bullets to do that job.
sumi - Oct 05, 2007 5:57:43 am PDT #7158 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!
But, they're experience was that Cybermen were pretty darn near invincible - would you really second guess that?
§ ita § - Oct 05, 2007 5:57:55 am PDT #7159 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
You shoot cybermen a lot. It's the only way to be sure.
Tom Scola - Oct 05, 2007 5:59:46 am PDT #7160 of 10001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.
You impale the Cyberman with your Gold Star that you received for Mathematical Excellence. That'll work.
Polter-Cow - Oct 05, 2007 6:01:37 am PDT #7161 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Eh, okay. It still squicked me out.
askye - Oct 05, 2007 6:01:56 am PDT #7162 of 10001
Thrive to spite them
She was claiming she wouldn't hurt anyone but she was still a Cyberwoman, when she was talking to Ianto she said they could "upgrade" to be together. I think that's the right term, but she was still using Cyberman terminology when talking about them being together.
Actually, it sort of reminded me of Firefly when everyone shoots and kills Nsika.