Don't belong. Dangerous, like you. Can't be controlled. Can't be trusted. Everyone could just go on without me and not have to worry. People could be what they wanted to be. Could be with the people they wanted. Live simple. No secrets.

River ,'Objects In Space'


Boxed Set, Vol. IV: It's always suicide-mission this, save-the-planet that.  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Dana - Sep 14, 2007 8:33:52 am PDT #6395 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

How is Jonathan Creek? I mean to watch it because of QI, of course, but haven't gotten a hold of it.

It's cute. If you like Alan Davies, I'd definitely recommend it. It's pretty typical British mystery stuff, but entertaining, especially when it displays that Davies has a range past "goofy and befuddled."


Vortex - Sep 14, 2007 8:34:15 am PDT #6396 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

How is Jonathan Creek? I mean to watch it because of QI, of course, but haven't gotten a hold of it.

I had mad love for it. I was sorry that they didn't show more on BBCA.


§ ita § - Sep 14, 2007 8:41:19 am PDT #6397 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I've never heard of an insecure university administrator who felt threatened by the brainpower of the faculty.

Were they dating a member of the faculty, one who's said he trades in the currency she feels low in?

I've seen a bunch of "Wish I could be an academic" jealousy--it's not a logical thing.

It was one of those moments that didn't make sense-- she didn't blame him for being a jackass, she blamed herself for not being as smart as everyone else in town.

She's a human. On the dating scene. Coming to the sensible conclusion--well, that'd be science fiction, wouldn't it?

No, too trite. I just mean that I find it totally plausible for someone's value system to get wobbly and to start doubting it when a date comes into the picture. I thought it was very clumsily done here, but I think the premise is basically sound (as noted, I don't think of it as a Jo thing to do, but plausible for others).


Jessica - Sep 14, 2007 8:47:22 am PDT #6398 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I thought it was very clumsily done here, but I think the premise is basically sound (as noted, I don't think of it as a Jo thing to do, but plausible for others).

I can't argue with this. But I still hope she clocks him one the next time they meet. Maybe Zoe can be a third party voice of reason and let Jo know it's not her, it's him.


bon bon - Sep 14, 2007 8:50:37 am PDT #6399 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Were they dating a member of the faculty, one who's said he trades in the currency she feels low in?

That's just the thing. Instead of complaining about Zane, she complained about being a non-scientist in Eureka and feeling dumb -- she practically forgave him. So yeah, I'd be justified in complaining about Bob if Bob tried to make me feel dumb. But I don't feel generally threatened by his friends and colleagues, because their philosophy smarts are pretty separate from their social smarts. His roommate, who is an electrical engineer with a philosophy PhD, claimed that another person's cat is really a female cat, because it has nipples. It's hard to be threatened by that.

She's a human. On the dating scene. Coming to the sensible conclusion--well, that'd be science fiction, wouldn't it?

No, too trite. I just mean that I find it totally plausible for someone's value system to get wobbly and to start doubting it when a date comes into the picture. I thought it was very clumsily done here, but I think the premise is basically sound (as noted, I don't think of it as a Jo thing to do, but plausible for others).

Sure, I agree that dating people endorse false beliefs because their egos are fragile. I don't think we were led to believe that Jo is insecure because she's dating, but that's an opinion she'd hold even if she weren't.


§ ita § - Sep 14, 2007 8:57:26 am PDT #6400 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

their philosophy smarts are pretty separate from their social smarts

Fargo's a loser, right? He's really smart compared to the national average, but a loser. On the brilliant but not loser list: Zoe, Zane, Alison, Stark, Kim, Beverly, Henry, the guy who runs Cafe Diem...

I'm not sure why I'm ending up defending what I think is bad writing, but so be it. Eureka hasn't posited much of the distinction you're making between book and social smarts.

I don't think we were led to believe that Jo is insecure because she's dating, but that's an opinion she'd hold even if she weren't.

Okay--to be clear--I don't think it's in Jo's character, right? I'm sticking clear to my initial "not that she should have one" and merely talking about it in the abstract.


DXMachina - Sep 14, 2007 9:04:05 am PDT #6401 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

On the brilliant but not loser list: Zane

Depends on who you're asking.


§ ita § - Sep 14, 2007 9:06:09 am PDT #6402 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Depends on who you're asking.

I think he's incredibly unlikeable, but he's all about the social.


CFerg - Sep 14, 2007 9:10:00 am PDT #6403 of 10001

I wish they did do that stuff.

I wish they would get into the difference between academia and social intelligence. I thought it was a missed opportunity to do a show about religion and not track the overlap of faith and the "typical" science mind. Or at least the science of religion from a biological standpoint.... Joe, Ed and I are constantly battling to salvage stuff. It's nice to see that the instincts are right.

Yeah, I had my issues too. But the sword fell and I was told I was not allowed to change plotlines I was not involved with. And Lupo takes a hit.

I hope this is not seen as talking out of school. But it's just been killing me.


Consuela - Sep 14, 2007 9:15:30 am PDT #6404 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I'm sorry, Cferg--I know what it's like to see someone mishandle an element of a project and not be able to fix it.