Right. So, I figured if she can fit in Elizabethan England with nary a second glance why should Edwardian England be any different?
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sumi - Aug 26, 2007 8:09:30 am PDT #5819 of 10001
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§ ita § - Aug 26, 2007 8:16:24 am PDT #5820 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
if she can fit in Elizabethan England with nary a second glance why should Edwardian England be any different?
I'm pretty sure that race relations were different in the two periods. Not that I don't think the writers were anything but lazy, but the idea that she'd generate two very separate reactions is quite plausible.
sumi - Aug 26, 2007 8:19:38 am PDT #5821 of 10001
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But wouldn't people have found a black person somewhat of a wonder in Elizabethan England? Even in London?
Vortex - Aug 26, 2007 8:38:44 am PDT #5822 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
Right. So, I figured if she can fit in Elizabethan England with nary a second glance why should Edwardian England be any different?
but she shouldn't have, that's my point.
But wouldn't people have found a black person somewhat of a wonder in Elizabethan England? Even in London?
yes, but there is a difference between finding someone different and finding them inferior. Of course, the issue in this ep is probably more class than race.
sumi - Aug 26, 2007 8:46:50 am PDT #5823 of 10001
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But, I think that the show has taken the decision to NOT make anything of race and they pretty much haven't.
I agree that the stuff this week was much more about class than race.
Vortex - Aug 26, 2007 9:42:38 am PDT #5824 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
But, I think that the show has taken the decision to NOT make anything of race and they pretty much haven't.
and it doesn't make any sense.
sumi - Aug 26, 2007 9:44:56 am PDT #5825 of 10001
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No, I'm guessing it's their version of color-blind casting.
Vortex - Aug 26, 2007 9:51:10 am PDT #5826 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
It's all or none. If you are doing color blind casting, then it's not even alluded to at all. You can't just refer to color when it's convenient for the plot and ignore it at all other times.
§ ita § - Aug 26, 2007 11:01:42 am PDT #5827 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I'm not going to hoist them on a petard of colour-blind casting, because it's a generally selectively blind casting issue. Race, clothing, speech, gender--none of it matters except when it matters. I shrug and let it slide. It would be tiresome if it always mattered realistically but I'm not pissed if they use it every now and again.
Vortex - Aug 26, 2007 11:40:11 am PDT #5828 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
True. I just find it annoying. It's not that difficult to think about it and make it work. Just a few people staring at Martha in amazement in the Shakespeare Code would have it work.