River: The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds given adequate vacuuming systems. Mal: See, morbid and creepifying, I got no problem with, long as she does it quiet-like.

'Safe'


Boxed Set, Vol. IV: It's always suicide-mission this, save-the-planet that.  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Vortex - Aug 26, 2007 9:42:38 am PDT #5824 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

But, I think that the show has taken the decision to NOT make anything of race and they pretty much haven't.

and it doesn't make any sense.


sumi - Aug 26, 2007 9:44:56 am PDT #5825 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

No, I'm guessing it's their version of color-blind casting.


Vortex - Aug 26, 2007 9:51:10 am PDT #5826 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

It's all or none. If you are doing color blind casting, then it's not even alluded to at all. You can't just refer to color when it's convenient for the plot and ignore it at all other times.


§ ita § - Aug 26, 2007 11:01:42 am PDT #5827 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm not going to hoist them on a petard of colour-blind casting, because it's a generally selectively blind casting issue. Race, clothing, speech, gender--none of it matters except when it matters. I shrug and let it slide. It would be tiresome if it always mattered realistically but I'm not pissed if they use it every now and again.


Vortex - Aug 26, 2007 11:40:11 am PDT #5828 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

True. I just find it annoying. It's not that difficult to think about it and make it work. Just a few people staring at Martha in amazement in the Shakespeare Code would have it work.


sumi - Aug 26, 2007 12:39:07 pm PDT #5829 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

BTW, Martha's sister Tish (okay, the actress that plays Tish) was in Miss Marple this week (Ordeal by Innocence) - it also featured Richard Armitage and that red-headed guy from Keen Eddie.


Theresa - Aug 26, 2007 2:31:17 pm PDT #5830 of 10001
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"

that red-headed guy from Keen Eddie.

I like him. I never remember anything other than that red headed guy from Keen Eddie that has three names though.


sumi - Aug 26, 2007 2:39:42 pm PDT #5831 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Exactly. Well, his two last names are particularly odd.


sumi - Aug 26, 2007 3:55:31 pm PDT #5832 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

ScifiWire story on Torchwood - spoilery for first episode so here it is with the spoilery stuff whitefonted:

BBC's Torchwood Has U.S. Roots

Julie Gardner, executive producer of the BBC series Torchwood and head of drama development for BBC Wales, told SCI FI Wire that the series grew out of a fascination with American science fiction TV shows, particularly those on the air in the 1990s.

Gardner and Russell T. Davies, the lead writer of both Torchwood and Doctor Who, met during a time of such shows as Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel, Smallville and Battlestar Galactica, Gardner said in an interview. "And Russell and I were watching all of those shows," she recalled. "And every week we would talk about those shows with so much kind of love and kind of detail. And we would talk about why we weren't doing those kinds of shows in Britain."

In that spirit, Gardner and Davies developed a script for a science fiction series called Excalibur, which centered on a team of paranormal investigators. "It was a kind of [an] urban-landscape, present-day series," Gardner said. "And the scene that Russell in his two-page pitch described was the scene where there was this sexy group of investigators in an alleyway at night, it's raining, a corpse is on the ground, and one of them brings out a glove and is able to bring the corpse back to life, which is, of course, the central first scene in Episode 1 of what became Torchwood."

The project was put on hold when Davies was tapped to oversee the new incarnation of Doctor Who, but following the success of that revival, he and Gardner returned to their idea with a new twist that tied into the Doctor Who universe.

"We had a great crew working on Doctor Who, and we thought it would be a great thing to kind of keep that team together, but stretch their creative muscles in a different direction," Gardner said. "To do something very different. And Torchwood was born out of the Excalibur idea, because we loved working with John Barrowman on the first season of Doctor Who. His character of Captain Jack had really taken hold of people's imagination. And we knew that the public was really responding to that character. So it made a huge amount of sense to take the Captain Jack figure and put him into the show that eventually became Torchwood."

Gardner added that while Doctor Who has a traditionally British feel to it, Torchwood's American influences are evident in the premise. "I guess you could describe it as more American in terms of it's slightly precinct-based," she said. "It's the story of the week every week. It's a sci-fi show that is rooted in the Earth. It's not a sci-fi show [like] Doctor Who [that] travels in galaxies and time and space. It's a kind of X-Files in some [sense], in terms of the stories of the week and how rooted that is."

Torchwood will have its premiere in the United States on Sept. 8 at 9 p.m. on BBC America. The first season will be available on DVD on Jan. 8, 2008. —Cindy White


Theresa - Aug 26, 2007 7:36:28 pm PDT #5833 of 10001
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"

I loved Torchwood. I wish they would release the DVDs just a bit earlier so I could request it for Christmas. Not that everything is about me.