Mal: You want to tell me how come there's a statue of you here looking at me like I owe him something? Jayne: Wishing I could, Captain.

'Jaynestown'


Natter Area 51: The Truthiness Is in Here  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


P.M. Marc - May 26, 2007 5:36:53 pm PDT #9437 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Question about separation: Why does it take so long? I mean, it doesn't have to, but why do you encounter people who are definitely never going to reconcile but who have been separated for years without pulling the trigger?

Procrastination? Not having the time, energy, or money to deal with the final legal bits? Working out details of said final legal bits?


P.M. Marc - May 26, 2007 5:38:40 pm PDT #9438 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Why validate risklessness? It is worth the heartache.

Well, can be. But you have to be in a space where the heartache would be dealable, and if you're not, doesn't matter if he or she's the best possible person on the planet, it's still wrong place, wrong time.


§ ita § - May 26, 2007 5:40:04 pm PDT #9439 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Why validate risklessness? It is worth the heartache.

Who validated risklessness?

Unrelatedly, I love Helen Mirren.


§ ita § - May 26, 2007 5:41:07 pm PDT #9440 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Power and the fear of lack there of.

That's icky. PMM's reasons are not relationship red flags, but the power thing would make me squint.


DavidS - May 26, 2007 5:41:18 pm PDT #9441 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

It's all in how you rate the risk, isn't it? Or would you risk anything for romance? It's perfectly possible there are things Allyson thinks are within reason to risk that you don't. Or that she's just not as wacky as you are.

I don't think she's wacky, but I do think (from what she's said here) that she'd very much like a romantic relationship. But that's her business, and I don't presume to know how or why she makes her choices.

I just thought the advice was arguable.

From my perspective, if you are not willing to make an emotional risk then you won't reap the emotional benefit.

Question about separation: Why does it take so long? I mean, it doesn't have to, but why do you encounter people who are definitely never going to reconcile but who have been separated for years without pulling the trigger?

There were two factors in my long separation. The first was that I felt that I was at a disadvantage in a custody dispute over Emmett, and felt like the longer I had an established pattern of joint physical custody the easier it would be to make that case in court. The second was simply financial. It cost $7,000 for my divorce - when you've got a kid, you can't use a paralegal. Too much is at stake. And I didn't have it.


§ ita § - May 26, 2007 5:43:19 pm PDT #9442 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

if you are not willing to make an emotional risk then you won't reap the emotional benefit.

Hec, you do understand that she's not being advised against taking any risks, but rather this one?


DavidS - May 26, 2007 5:43:55 pm PDT #9443 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Unrelatedly, an interesting piece on the history of Helvetica.


DavidS - May 26, 2007 5:47:16 pm PDT #9444 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Hec, you do understand that she's not being advised against taking any risks, but rather this one?

The tone of the advice was definitely running down a red flag list. No neighbors, no separated etc. Those are pretty general and broad.

Also, Allyson stated that it wasn't worth the heartache, but I didn't think that she really had enough information to make that call this early in the game. There are a lot intermediary steps between "interested neighbor" and "potential boyfriend" or "definitely not." I did not see a commitment to due diligence, but an impulse to back away from interest.


msbelle - May 26, 2007 5:54:22 pm PDT #9445 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

no secret I lean puritanical on several fronts. I wouldn't think of someone more than friends with anyone still legally married. Of course there are a number of reasons why someone would not finalize a divorce, I just wouldn't date them, and I'd be uncomfortable if they made advances.


Allyson - May 26, 2007 5:54:23 pm PDT #9446 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Well, in a mercenary sense, I'm just talking about making out and a possible blow job.

I mean, I have an absolute terrible crush on Tim, but it hasn't really occur to me to make a pass at him, because it's a weirdly platonic crush that is just about giving him a gigantic hug every now and again and flirting in some outrageous way in which we argue and make each other nuts. And that's the extent to which I'm comfortable in that crush.

But my neighbor crush includes smoochies, which is what makes me need to throw up a wall. But it's still a crush that could develop into a lovely friendship if I just, you know, build a nice little heart-load bearing wall.

ETA: I have the barrier to relationship msbelle mentions with the recent separation and the still attached to someone, at least legally.