Just to be clear--I think it should be mandatory, but I also think it should be free. A totally separate topic, I know.
What'd you all order a dead guy for?
Jayne ,'The Message'
Natter Area 51: The Truthiness Is in Here
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Pix - May 19, 2007 1:21:14 pm PDT #8300 of 10001
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie
Trudy Booth - May 19, 2007 1:22:02 pm PDT #8301 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
One of the other things my ObGyn said was that there is some indication (and further studies in the works) that there can be reductions in infection in people already infected with the virus if they get the vaccine. Which is interesting.
Dana - May 19, 2007 1:24:38 pm PDT #8302 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
sumi! What a race that was.
Zenkitty - May 19, 2007 1:41:05 pm PDT #8303 of 10001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.
HPV vaccine. In general, I am opposed to the government, or anyone really, making me do something. But. When it's a case of a thing that will save many lives, and harm no one, and you know that many people for whatever reasons will not do it, then yeah, I think it should be government mandated. And free.
I wonder if the reaction of the general public to this vaccine will be different when it becomes widely known that it causes oral cancer, and in men, as well as giving sexually active women cervical cancer. Though I guess some people will still see it a punishment for having sex.
Liese S. - May 19, 2007 1:48:23 pm PDT #8304 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."
Dana, I know! I was holding my breath!
Zenkitty - May 19, 2007 2:06:41 pm PDT #8305 of 10001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.
Is anyone around who could translate a phrase into Latin for me?
Hil R. - May 19, 2007 2:14:28 pm PDT #8306 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l
I'm reading a book on mathematical writing. It's a pretty useful book, but the author has a tendency to throw in some rather random-sounding examples. As an example of what not to do: "This semisimple, sesquilinear operator serves to show sometimes that subgroups of S are sequenced."
(He also insists that the proper way to write a mathematical paper is first person plural. I think it feels horribly awkward to write that way, but it seems to be standard, so I'll do it. Sorry, we think it feels horribly awkward to write that way, but it seems to be standard, so we'll do it.)
Topic!Cindy - May 19, 2007 2:23:56 pm PDT #8307 of 10001
What is even happening?
Hil, there's a TB vaccine, now? I know there's the Tine test, but I didn't realize there was a vaccine.
Thirty years of mandatory vaccines had eradicated Polio in the US, and I was born the year after they lifted the mandatory vaccination of all children.My kids had to be vaccinated. I wonder if they reinstituted it. My oldest got a live vaccine. They then had a lot of problems with it, and so my younger ones had a different one. One was a drink, one wasn't, but it's all fuzzy now.
OK, but the risk is not just to them. Vaccines have a limited protection for the person getting vaccinated if they are the only one taking them. In the case HPV I think is 75%, in other more. The real protection is the herd affect. If everone or almost everyone takes it then when it fails for one person, the odds are it won't be passed on to someone else, and if it is, the odds are it won't get passed to the next person.
So if you are vaccinated and no one else is , you still have a 1 in 4 chance of catching if exposed and a real good chance of getting exposed. But if everybody (or nearly everybody has the vaccine, you have a three in four chance of resistance if exposed, plus a good chance of not getting exposed.
Incidentally, this is why boys should be vaccinated against HPV as well. In addition to the chance that it does something we don't know about to them, even if they are asymptomatic they can pass it on to girls. If boys are vaccinated as well as girls you get a much better herd affect.
I agree with all this Gar, but I'm not part of the government's herd. As I said, I will choose to vaccinate my daughter (and my sons if my pedi recommends it, and if it has been tested on male humans, to prove it is safe for them), but if people can't catch it casually, I don't think the government has the right to force it, even though it is, in my opinion, right that everyone get it.
Hil R. - May 19, 2007 2:26:12 pm PDT #8308 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l
Hil, there's a TB vaccine, now? I know there's the Tine test, but I didn't realize there was a vaccine.
Maybe the listing was for the test; it was on the "vaccines" page, but a lot of their website is pretty badly explained.
Typo Boy - May 19, 2007 2:32:22 pm PDT #8309 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
I agree with all this Gar, but I'm not part of the government's herd. As I said, I will choose to vaccinate my daughter (and my sons if my pedi recommends it, and if it has been tested on male humans, to prove it is safe for them), but if people can't catch it casually, I don't think the government has the right to force it, even though it is, in my opinion, right that everyone get it.
But it seems like you can catch it casually--not through sneezing but through contact like cuddling and kissing. So if the government does not have a right to put strong pressure on you, that means you think you have a right to endanger others, or that others have a right to endanger your kids.