You got all kinds of learnin' and you made me look the fool without tryin', and yet here I am with a gun to your head. That's 'cause I got people with me. People who trust each other, who do for each other, and ain't always lookin' for the advantage.

Mal ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


Natter Area 51: The Truthiness Is in Here  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Zenkitty - May 19, 2007 2:06:41 pm PDT #8305 of 10001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Is anyone around who could translate a phrase into Latin for me?


Hil R. - May 19, 2007 2:14:28 pm PDT #8306 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I'm reading a book on mathematical writing. It's a pretty useful book, but the author has a tendency to throw in some rather random-sounding examples. As an example of what not to do: "This semisimple, sesquilinear operator serves to show sometimes that subgroups of S are sequenced."

(He also insists that the proper way to write a mathematical paper is first person plural. I think it feels horribly awkward to write that way, but it seems to be standard, so I'll do it. Sorry, we think it feels horribly awkward to write that way, but it seems to be standard, so we'll do it.)


Topic!Cindy - May 19, 2007 2:23:56 pm PDT #8307 of 10001
What is even happening?

Hil, there's a TB vaccine, now? I know there's the Tine test, but I didn't realize there was a vaccine.

Thirty years of mandatory vaccines had eradicated Polio in the US, and I was born the year after they lifted the mandatory vaccination of all children.
My kids had to be vaccinated. I wonder if they reinstituted it. My oldest got a live vaccine. They then had a lot of problems with it, and so my younger ones had a different one. One was a drink, one wasn't, but it's all fuzzy now.

OK, but the risk is not just to them. Vaccines have a limited protection for the person getting vaccinated if they are the only one taking them. In the case HPV I think is 75%, in other more. The real protection is the herd affect. If everone or almost everyone takes it then when it fails for one person, the odds are it won't be passed on to someone else, and if it is, the odds are it won't get passed to the next person.

So if you are vaccinated and no one else is , you still have a 1 in 4 chance of catching if exposed and a real good chance of getting exposed. But if everybody (or nearly everybody has the vaccine, you have a three in four chance of resistance if exposed, plus a good chance of not getting exposed.

Incidentally, this is why boys should be vaccinated against HPV as well. In addition to the chance that it does something we don't know about to them, even if they are asymptomatic they can pass it on to girls. If boys are vaccinated as well as girls you get a much better herd affect.

I agree with all this Gar, but I'm not part of the government's herd. As I said, I will choose to vaccinate my daughter (and my sons if my pedi recommends it, and if it has been tested on male humans, to prove it is safe for them), but if people can't catch it casually, I don't think the government has the right to force it, even though it is, in my opinion, right that everyone get it.


Hil R. - May 19, 2007 2:26:12 pm PDT #8308 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Hil, there's a TB vaccine, now? I know there's the Tine test, but I didn't realize there was a vaccine.

Maybe the listing was for the test; it was on the "vaccines" page, but a lot of their website is pretty badly explained.


Typo Boy - May 19, 2007 2:32:22 pm PDT #8309 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I agree with all this Gar, but I'm not part of the government's herd. As I said, I will choose to vaccinate my daughter (and my sons if my pedi recommends it, and if it has been tested on male humans, to prove it is safe for them), but if people can't catch it casually, I don't think the government has the right to force it, even though it is, in my opinion, right that everyone get it.

But it seems like you can catch it casually--not through sneezing but through contact like cuddling and kissing. So if the government does not have a right to put strong pressure on you, that means you think you have a right to endanger others, or that others have a right to endanger your kids.


§ ita § - May 19, 2007 3:02:13 pm PDT #8310 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

there's a TB vaccine, now? I know there's the Tine test, but I didn't realize there was a vaccine.

I had one in grade school.


brenda m - May 19, 2007 3:08:13 pm PDT #8311 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

So if the government does not have a right to put strong pressure on you, that means you think you have a right to endanger others, or that others have a right to endanger your kids.

The other thing is, you can choose to get your daughter(s) immunized. Right now, I'm not sure it's possible, and it's certainly not covered, for your sons. Maybe they have nothing to worry about. But what about their first girlfriend? And perhaps especially their second, or thereafter? If it's a crapshoot whether parents were willing or responsible enough to take this step - or had the insurance to cover it - every relationship is possibly a transmission zone. Kind of like now. But why keep it that way if we don't have to?

[The coverage thing is another matter - mandated vaccinations will at the very least not leave the underinsured kids out in the cold. Or the underparented.]


Sheryl - May 19, 2007 3:37:26 pm PDT #8312 of 10001
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Timelies all!

I spent the day at the Maryland Faery Festival(My dance group performed there) Good music, but still a bit twee for my taste.


sumi - May 19, 2007 3:46:38 pm PDT #8313 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

One of my errands today was going to the post office. They have triangular stamps!

I wasn't intending to buy stamps (well, some 2 cent stamps so I can use up my 39 cent stamps) but the triangular stamps were so cool I had to get them.


Hil R. - May 19, 2007 4:19:49 pm PDT #8314 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

There are triangular stamps? Neat! (I just bought a ton of stamps, though, and I use maybe three a month.)

I'm in the middle of doing five loads of laundry. I decided that today was as good a day as any to wash all of that stuff that I don't wash often enough, like dish towels and napkins and my mattress pad and some throw blankets. I also planned to wash my comforter before putting it away for the summer, but there's now a big sign on the washers saying not to put comfortors bigger than twin size in, so I've got to take that to the cleaners, I guess.