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Natter Area 51: The Truthiness Is in Here  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jesse - May 19, 2007 1:04:42 pm PDT #8292 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Here's the thing about the HPV vaccine, to me, though: Obviously, the company that developed it is making a big play for use as a cancer preventative tool. But cervical cancer isn't that common, and not all cases are related to HPV. I'm looking at this big PDF [link] and it's about half as common among women as cancer of the rectum.

Obviously, it's a good idea to prevent disease, but I have to believe the colossal PR push around this is just to sell the vaccine.


Jesse - May 19, 2007 1:08:15 pm PDT #8293 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

This report is pretty interesting. Women overall have a 1 in 3 chance of getting some kind of cancer in their lifetime. It's a 1 in 8 chance of breast cancer, 1 in 17 chance of lung and bronchus, 1 in 38 of uterine corpus, 1 in 135 of uterine cervix.


Trudy Booth - May 19, 2007 1:10:32 pm PDT #8294 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Jesse, that was part of my thinking too... but now that Hil has sent me off to Wikipedia measels, mumps, and rubella...

Turns out they're hardly ever fatal. I always assumed they were something far more grim than the chicken pox I and everyone I knew ended up having. They CAN have further effects, (particularly if pregnant women are exposed) but they're largely more distressing than dangerous.


Jesse - May 19, 2007 1:13:55 pm PDT #8295 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Well, and if someone told me I should pay $800 for a chicken pox vaccine, I'd probably decline that one, too. (That's how much the HPV would be for me with my GYN.)


Trudy Booth - May 19, 2007 1:15:17 pm PDT #8296 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Yeah, my Gyn said $600. That's when we had the "insurance will likely cover more people" discussion. So far I've opted to not pay for it.


NoiseDesign - May 19, 2007 1:17:28 pm PDT #8297 of 10001
Our wings are not tired

Right now if you're not a woman between, what, nine and twenty six you need to pony up $300+ dollars to get it. My ObGyn suspects that coverage limitation has more to do with available stocks than anything else and that in time it will extend to older women and then to men.

Actually from what I've been reading and hearing it's really 9 to 18 that's the most effective range. It's what the American Cancer Society is recommending for the window. The trick is the vaccine is extremely effective if you get it before your first exposure. The effectiveness drops tremendously after that. As such, the push is for it to happen before students enter middle school. Yes, there is the issue of the drug manufacturer having pushed to hard to get it mandatory, that was a stupid move on their part. However, most states that are looking at making it mandatory are doing that, in part, to make it mandatory for health insurance to cover the vaccine. Right now many insurers do not cover it. If it becomes a mandatory vaccination they will.


Hil R. - May 19, 2007 1:17:37 pm PDT #8298 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I'm within the age range where most insurances will cover it, but mine (the student health plan) won't. Which is just dumb, really. But the student health plan is really horrible -- they'll cover a total of $500 a year for prescriptions. (My parents have said that they'll pay for me to get the HPV vaccine if I want it. I need to talk it over with my doctor, but I probably will be getting it.)


Hil R. - May 19, 2007 1:20:19 pm PDT #8299 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I just checked -- the only vaccine that Chickering student health plan (which seems to be the student health plan at most colleges) will cover is TB. Which is just $15 anyway. Gardasil is three doses at $150 each, not covered by student health insurance.


Pix - May 19, 2007 1:21:14 pm PDT #8300 of 10001
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

Just to be clear--I think it should be mandatory, but I also think it should be free. A totally separate topic, I know.


Trudy Booth - May 19, 2007 1:22:02 pm PDT #8301 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

One of the other things my ObGyn said was that there is some indication (and further studies in the works) that there can be reductions in infection in people already infected with the virus if they get the vaccine. Which is interesting.