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Natter Area 51: The Truthiness Is in Here  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Cashmere - May 09, 2007 2:03:28 pm PDT #6459 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

The food falls apart! I had a ranty and somewhat bitter LJ entry about it.

It really is LAME. We tried a few recipes but it all just sucked. Why not just eat nice, whole, uncooked foods rather than deal with the work of raw "cooking?" I guess because people still like the illusion of bread or a bun or of cooked foods, probably.

Now, we have a vegan bakery here in town called Pattycakes that has carrot cake that I would kill for.


tommyrot - May 09, 2007 2:05:08 pm PDT #6460 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Yeah, there's been a dog in space, but not a pet in space....


brenda m - May 09, 2007 2:13:23 pm PDT #6461 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I doubt prison food meets vegan requirements.

Well, then I guess we'll find out soon how much those ideals really meant to them.

I'm sorry. I get the maybe-they-were-so-into-veganism thing to a point. That point is way before their child drops to three and a half pounds and they - what, don't notice?

I have friends who are raw foodies and have a small child. I don't know what they fed her (besides breast milk) but it sure as hell wasn't just soy milk and apple juice. And there's no question in my mind how the child v. lifestyle-conviction cagematch would have ended if it came to her well being.


§ ita § - May 09, 2007 2:21:31 pm PDT #6462 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

There was this thing called pizza at Juliano's raw. Let us speak no more of it.

When my sister was here she was on the following diet: pesco-vegetarian, gluten free, lactose intolerant, no soy, no chocolate.

I shake my head. I bought gluten free flour and xanthan gum and set her to making sour cream waffles (she's okay with dairy if it's been cooked into something like that). She was beside herself.

She has her fibroids taken out today, at which point gluten definitely comes back into play. She may even risk the lactose thing with some pizza.


Topic!Cindy - May 09, 2007 2:21:53 pm PDT #6463 of 10001
What is even happening?

And there's no question in my mind how the child v. lifestyle-conviction cagematch would have ended if it came to her well being.
Yeah, this is where it ultimately falls apart for me. I don't know that I hold any principle more dear than keeping my children alive.


Liese S. - May 09, 2007 2:37:27 pm PDT #6464 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

The vegetarian parents I knew fed their kids meat. They figured it was a decision the kids could make for themselves later on. I dunno if they were health-reasons vegetarians or animal-rights-reasons vegetarians, though.


Hil R. - May 09, 2007 2:58:36 pm PDT #6465 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Every carton of soy milk I've ever bought has had a "Not to be used as infant formula" notice on it.

I don't think this really has to do with being vegan, more with just being stupid. There are PLENTY of vegan babies. Usually breastfed. There aren't any vegan formulas, but generally, the only problem ingredient is Vitamin D, and I would assume that if, for some reason, the mother couldn't breast feed, she'd either figure the almost-vegan formula was good enough, or find some way to get breast milk from a milk bank. (Also, the Vitamin D is derived from wool, so it's not even like the animal has to be killed to get it.)

As for the "is cheese vegetarian?" question, it's a little complicated. Rennet, which is the stuff that makes the milk congeal into cheese, is often derived from animal sources -- an enzyme from inside the cow's stomach. There are some cheeses that are made with a vegetable rennet. (I've been trying, not too successfully, to only use vegetable rennet cheeses. Cheddar is easy -- Tillamook and Cabot are both vegetarian, and their packages say so. Other kinds of cheese, there are lists available of which are vegetarian, but I have yet to find a mozzerella that actually lists it on the package, and I can never remember which are OK when I'm at the store.)


Hil R. - May 09, 2007 3:02:39 pm PDT #6466 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

The vegetarian parents I knew fed their kids meat. They figured it was a decision the kids could make for themselves later on. I dunno if they were health-reasons vegetarians or animal-rights-reasons vegetarians, though.

Unless the father of my future kids has serious objections, I'm probably going to raise my kids vegetarian. (Maybe vegan, depending on where my own diet is at that point.)


§ ita § - May 09, 2007 3:02:53 pm PDT #6467 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The vegetarian parents I knew fed their kids meat. They figured it was a decision the kids could make for themselves later on.

One of the instructors at krav has only eaten meat once, and it was because someone (knowingly, the bastards) fed her some bacon, I think. Even though she thinks, for instance, that pork smells great, she's hesitant about going through the uncomfortable process of acclimating. Her parents went vegetarian before all their kids were born.

She's off to university in a few months. That will put different stresses on her diet.


dcp - May 09, 2007 3:13:37 pm PDT #6468 of 10001
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.