Illyria: We cling to what is gone. Is there anything in this life but grief? Wesley: There's love. There's hope...for some. There's hope that you'll find something worthy...that your life will lead you to some joy...that after everything...you can still be surprised. Illyria: Is that enough? Is that enough to live on?

'Shells'


Natter Area 51: The Truthiness Is in Here  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Scrappy - Apr 18, 2007 12:00:58 pm PDT #3328 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

My mom had a "Late Term Abortion" when I was a very little kid. It was due to a miscarriage that didn't complete and she would have died without it. I have strong feelings on the matter, as you might imagine.


erikaj - Apr 18, 2007 12:09:45 pm PDT #3329 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

can't blame you, Robin.


Connie Neil - Apr 18, 2007 12:13:49 pm PDT #3330 of 10001
brillig

My mom had a "Late Term Abortion" when I was a very little kid. It was due to a miscarriage that didn't complete and she would have died without it. I have strong feelings on the matter, as you might imagine.

So did my mother, and I'd not be here if she hadn't because it was the pregnancy before me. Though Mother always called it a miscarriage, because she wasn't the kind of woman to get an abortion.


Jesse - Apr 18, 2007 12:14:03 pm PDT #3331 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I really can barely even think about any of this stuff, because it makes me so crazy. The good news for your mother, Robin, is that even today she'd be protected if it was her life at stake.


Jesse - Apr 18, 2007 12:15:31 pm PDT #3332 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Connie, on the flip side, I have a friend who works in reproductive health who recently had a miscarriage, and she talked about the abortion she had to get after the fetus stopped growing.


Topic!Cindy - Apr 18, 2007 12:15:49 pm PDT #3333 of 10001
What is even happening?

Where I'm gobsmacked is that health is not seen as justification enough. I mean, I have the right to defend myself in general, just not inside my own body?


erikaj - Apr 18, 2007 12:20:31 pm PDT #3334 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

with a gun, yes. at the doctor, nsm.


sumi - Apr 18, 2007 12:22:35 pm PDT #3335 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Whoa, the Cho did have a history of mental illness -- I didn't know that.

(Assuming that we can trust Fox news?)

And Nikki Giovanni was one of his teachers?

"It was not bad poetry. It was intimidating," poet Nikki Giovanni, one of his professors, told CNN.

"I know we're talking about a youngster, but troubled youngsters get drunk and jump off buildings," she said. "There was something mean about this boy. It was the meanness — I've taught troubled youngsters and crazy people — it was the meanness that bothered me. It was a really mean streak."

Giovanni said her students were so unnerved by Cho's behavior, including taking pictures of them with his cell phone, that some stopped coming to class and she had security check on her room. She eventually had him taken out of her class, after threatening to quit if he wasn't removed.

Lucinda Roy, a co-director of creative writing at Virginia Tech, said she tutored Cho after that. She said she tried to get him into counseling in late 2005 but he always refused.

"He was so distant and so lonely," she told ABC's "Good Morning America" Wednesday. "It was almost like talking to a hole, as though he wasn't there most of the time. He wore sunglasses and his hat very low so it was hard to see his face."


Jessica - Apr 18, 2007 12:26:30 pm PDT #3336 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I have strong feelings on the matter, as you might imagine.

I bet.

I have a hard time even wrapping my head around why anyone thinks late-term abortions should even be up for political discussion. Nobody wakes up one morning during her third trimester and thinks "Hey, you know what would be fun today? Getting an abortion! Whee!" They are only ever performed when there is a serious medical need.


Jessica - Apr 18, 2007 12:32:20 pm PDT #3337 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

with a gun, yes. at the doctor, nsm.

I can't even talk about guns this week. The coffee shop where I was having lunch today had the news on (I can't remember which network, I think CNN), and they managed to seque from a segment on "OMG THE VIRGINIA TECH SHOOTER PLAYED VIDEO GAMES!" to one on "But the important thing to remember is that gun control is stupid."

Because, you know, letting people OWN GUNS is so much safer than letting them PLAY VIDEO GAMES. If we don't maintain our 2nd Amendment rights at all costs, gangs of teenagers will roam the streets hitting people on the head with Wiimotes! Chaos and anarchy will prevail!