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Natter Area 51: The Truthiness Is in Here  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


erikaj - Apr 18, 2007 12:20:31 pm PDT #3334 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

with a gun, yes. at the doctor, nsm.


sumi - Apr 18, 2007 12:22:35 pm PDT #3335 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Whoa, the Cho did have a history of mental illness -- I didn't know that.

(Assuming that we can trust Fox news?)

And Nikki Giovanni was one of his teachers?

"It was not bad poetry. It was intimidating," poet Nikki Giovanni, one of his professors, told CNN.

"I know we're talking about a youngster, but troubled youngsters get drunk and jump off buildings," she said. "There was something mean about this boy. It was the meanness — I've taught troubled youngsters and crazy people — it was the meanness that bothered me. It was a really mean streak."

Giovanni said her students were so unnerved by Cho's behavior, including taking pictures of them with his cell phone, that some stopped coming to class and she had security check on her room. She eventually had him taken out of her class, after threatening to quit if he wasn't removed.

Lucinda Roy, a co-director of creative writing at Virginia Tech, said she tutored Cho after that. She said she tried to get him into counseling in late 2005 but he always refused.

"He was so distant and so lonely," she told ABC's "Good Morning America" Wednesday. "It was almost like talking to a hole, as though he wasn't there most of the time. He wore sunglasses and his hat very low so it was hard to see his face."


Jessica - Apr 18, 2007 12:26:30 pm PDT #3336 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I have strong feelings on the matter, as you might imagine.

I bet.

I have a hard time even wrapping my head around why anyone thinks late-term abortions should even be up for political discussion. Nobody wakes up one morning during her third trimester and thinks "Hey, you know what would be fun today? Getting an abortion! Whee!" They are only ever performed when there is a serious medical need.


Jessica - Apr 18, 2007 12:32:20 pm PDT #3337 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

with a gun, yes. at the doctor, nsm.

I can't even talk about guns this week. The coffee shop where I was having lunch today had the news on (I can't remember which network, I think CNN), and they managed to seque from a segment on "OMG THE VIRGINIA TECH SHOOTER PLAYED VIDEO GAMES!" to one on "But the important thing to remember is that gun control is stupid."

Because, you know, letting people OWN GUNS is so much safer than letting them PLAY VIDEO GAMES. If we don't maintain our 2nd Amendment rights at all costs, gangs of teenagers will roam the streets hitting people on the head with Wiimotes! Chaos and anarchy will prevail!


Daisy Jane - Apr 18, 2007 12:33:11 pm PDT #3338 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

They are only ever performed when there is a serious medical need.

Even without serious medical need. I have enough faith in the brains of women to say that we're not making the decision lightly. They are sooo banking on the stereotypical frivilous, doesn't-know-what-she-really-wants, probably selfish since she went and had the dirty sex, nasty view of women as somehow less capable of making an informed, rational decision. Nobody, but nobody has rights to my body but me. Period.

Though I realize I'm likely on the more radical side of the debate. Or at least it certainly seems it down here.


brenda m - Apr 18, 2007 12:35:27 pm PDT #3339 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

The "radical" side should be believing without overwhelming evidence that women ever do that shit lightly. The fact that it's not is testimony to how effectively they've been able to change the terms of the debate. Sickening.


Daisy Jane - Apr 18, 2007 12:37:51 pm PDT #3340 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I can't even talk about guns this week. The coffee shop where I was having lunch today had the news on (I can't remember which network, I think CNN), and they managed to seque from a segment on "OMG THE VIRGINIA TECH SHOOTER PLAYED VIDEO GAMES!" to one on "But the important thing to remember is that gun control is stupid."

Well and also, can we just be sad for a week? I mean maybe in a month or so, I'll feel like advocating stricter gun control or better mental health care or whatever. But for just a week at least, I just wanna be sad.


erikaj - Apr 18, 2007 12:43:12 pm PDT #3341 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Well, right. I wasn't really trying to reference that incident, but I guess I could have played Stupid Right Wing Thought Tricks with capital punishment just as easily.


Jessica - Apr 18, 2007 12:43:56 pm PDT #3342 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Even without serious medical need. I have enough faith in the brains of women to say that we're not making the decision lightly.

Oh, absolutely. And personally, I believe that reproductive rights are useless unless they are broad enough to allow for stupid people to make bad decisions. We don't just protect reasoned articulate speech (obviously, just watch 10 minutes of C-SPAN), we protect ALL free speech. Likewise, we should be protecting ALL reproductive rights even if some women will use them to make decisions we don't approve of. It's the only way off the slippery slope.


Daisy Jane - Apr 18, 2007 12:50:55 pm PDT #3343 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

:: Links arms with Jessica. Sings "I Am Woman" ::