Angel: Connor, this is Spike and Illyria. Guys, this is Connor. Connor: Hi. umm...I like your outfit. Illyria: Your body warms. This one is lusting after me. Connor: Oh...no, I--I--it's just that it's the outfit. I guess I've had a thing for older women. Angel: They were supposed to fix that.

'Origin'


Spike's Bitches 35: We Got a History  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Daisy Jane - May 09, 2007 11:14:54 am PDT #8215 of 10003
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

(I didn't mean "shit" in a perjorative sense, btw, just being sorta slangy. It's really an excellent way of putting things.)

Oh, no I didn't think you did. I used to feel like I owed it to someone to be his or her friend or girlfriend and would get really frustrated when they wouldn't behave according to whatever model of correct friend/boyfriend behavior I had in my head. Then I was told I couldn't make anyone behave that way, which made sense, but left me with several more years of frustration over whether or not my models of behavior were wrong and maybe I should just accept others for who they are and then something happened that made me go "Sure. I can't demand that you don't knowingly hurt me, but I have the right to want someone who won't."


beekaytee - May 09, 2007 11:19:41 am PDT #8216 of 10003
Compassionately intolerant

Then I was told I couldn't make anyone behave that way, which made sense, but left me with several more years of frustration over whether or not my models of behavior were wrong and maybe I should just accept others for who they are and then something happened that made me go "Sure. I can't demand that you don't knowingly hurt me, but I have the right to want someone who won't."

Sing it sister!


Connie Neil - May 09, 2007 11:34:03 am PDT #8217 of 10003
brillig

I can't demand that you don't knowingly hurt me, but I have the right to want someone who won't."

Why can't you demand it? If it's a friend, can't you say to them, "What you did here upset me, why did you do that?" If you get lies or waved off or told "You're just too sensitive" then you can say, "You're right, I'm too sensitive to have to deal with this." Some people don't do things knowingly, some people are just drifting along in status quo land and didn't realize the quo hasn't been under the status for a long time.


askye - May 09, 2007 11:34:54 am PDT #8218 of 10003
Thrive to spite them

Everyone has great advice.

YAY for vw getting into the tutoring thing.

And in carroty news - I just realized that the guy might be up here tomorrow for a meeting, and I got excited for a chance to see him but then I realized that I have to leave for a doctor's appointment and so I may not see him. I'm hoping for a chance to give him my cell number since I totally blanked on doing that yesterday.

My dr's appointment is a physical I have to have for the surgery for my teeth , I'm hoping that the appointment will go quickly and I can come back to work but I have a feeling I'm going to have to wait for a long time and then it won't make any sense for me to come all the way back to work.


Daisy Jane - May 09, 2007 11:42:54 am PDT #8219 of 10003
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Why can't you demand it? If it's a friend, can't you say to them, "What you did here upset me, why did you do that?" If you get lies or waved off or told "You're just too sensitive" then you can say, "You're right, I'm too sensitive to have to deal with this." Some people don't do things knowingly, some people are just drifting along in status quo land and didn't realize the quo hasn't been under the status for a long time.

You absolutely can tell them what you need, but if they don't follow through on that there's no way of making them. They may be careless or cruel or maybe they think you're just wrong.

For example: (non-true story) Mr. Jane never calls me during the day or on his breaks which is important to me because I need to be reminded often that my husband loves me. I say to Mr. Jane, "Hey I really need someone who acknowledges his love for me often, like by calling me during the day and stuff." Mr. Jane doesn't comply, or maybe he tries it at first but isn't really into it, in fact, he feels forced and it's actually making him appreciate me less. I have two choices, come to deal with the fact that he's not going to give me what I need or find someone else who will. I can't and shouldn't try to make him make those phone calls.


Connie Neil - May 09, 2007 11:45:34 am PDT #8220 of 10003
brillig

I can't and shouldn't try to make him make those phone calls.

Ah, true. You can make the demand but you can't force the other person to change, so then you get to decide if the change you'd like is a dealbreaker or not. Bless you, Daisy, for not being on the warpath of "I can change him!" I see too many miserable men who didn't realize they had been married off the fixer-upper aisle.


beekaytee - May 09, 2007 11:48:11 am PDT #8221 of 10003
Compassionately intolerant

Daisy just described the process I went through before finally ending things with Fela. The great thing about that process is that there is no blame involved. I can ask for something, but I can't expect that thing. If it isn't possible, it isn't possible. There is no fault, just choice.


Toddson - May 09, 2007 11:50:44 am PDT #8222 of 10003
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

Men are not fixer-uppers - they're pretty much as-is.


Ailleann - May 09, 2007 11:50:55 am PDT #8223 of 10003
vanguard of the socialist Hollywood liberal homosexualist agenda

Some people don't do things knowingly, some people are just drifting along in status quo land and didn't realize the quo hasn't been under the status for a long time.

I think I need to embroider this and then pull it out every time my not!ex calls me.

Also, wrod.


Daisy Jane - May 09, 2007 11:54:08 am PDT #8224 of 10003
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I don't completely blame those women, because there's the myth out there of the civilizing influence of the womenfolk. It's not one I'm prone to. I'm more prone to be overly permissive for fear of being seen as a nag or castrating bitch or not one of the boys. It's something I'm still prone to even though I know I have a right to want what I want even if I don't have the right to actually get it.