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Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.


Holli - Aug 13, 2003 6:36:35 pm PDT #812 of 10000
an overblown libretto and a sumptuous score/ could never contain the contradictions I adore

I figured that Sister Wanda was the Scarlet Witch-- the red habit was my first hint. And Petros has the same hair as in the latest cartoon incarnation .

I didn't think of Virginia Dare being Storm, though-- that's an interesting idea.


Fone Bone - Aug 13, 2003 7:11:41 pm PDT #813 of 10000

1602 was a great read. It was fun spotting all the Marvel in-jokes (I especially loved Matt and Foggy's appearance, although I agree that the Peter Parker character is kind of a twit so far) and Gaiman has done a very good job creating this alternate version of history. Mainly it's just great to have him writing comics again. His novels were decent, but they're nowhere near as interesting and unique as Sandman or Signal to Noise. Can't wait to read his next Sandman anthology Endless Nights.

Speaking of Sandman did anyone else expect to see Hob Gadling turn up somewhere in 1602?


Gandalfe - Aug 13, 2003 7:50:15 pm PDT #814 of 10000
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

SFMARTY: There are, what, 8 of them? Go for it, & let me know how much. Or, let me know how much, & then go for it. Either way works.


sfmarty - Aug 13, 2003 8:31:52 pm PDT #815 of 10000
Who? moi??

Gandalfe, look up my e-mail addy and we can talk. Meanwhile I will go and get them tomorrow.

I have the new Marvel and left it in the car. Will read it too.

Gandalfe, if you want that one as well, e me and I will pick it up too. Can't make more than one trip tho. Really busy week.


CaBil - Aug 13, 2003 11:56:19 pm PDT #816 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

1602 Thoughts

First about the overall story: Supposedly, this is not a what-if story. What does that mean, I'm not sure...

And about one set of characters: I don't think Virginia Dare is Storm, since that would tie up her story with the witchbreed. Though her Native American protector would make sense to be Steve Rogers AKA Captain America. Could Virginia be some sort of Bucky analogue? Though I suspect she may be an original character.

And a question about one of the characters: The man with wings is Angel, aka Warren Worthington III, a founding member of the X-men. His mutant ability? Umm, wings that allow him to fly, mostly.


Steph L. - Aug 14, 2003 7:18:13 am PDT #817 of 10000
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

My co-worker is an artist and a comic-book geek, and he's grooving on my copy of 1602. He took one look at the pages and said "It isn't inked -- it was penciled and scanned."

I have to take his word on that, because even though he explained to me how he can tell, I don't see it.

And he says that the Virginia Maid and the Indian bodyguard are from Alpha Flight.

t edit Dude, co-worker is identifying *all* the characters. Impressive.


tina f. - Aug 14, 2003 7:24:56 am PDT #818 of 10000

I have only the barest knowledge of the Marvel comics and I thought it a great read, the artwork was not so great to me, but a good read.

You all have filled in some blanks that make it more interesting. Peter Parker looks like a goob, agreed. However, Fury and Daredevil are very un-gooblike and I want to see more.

edited: whitefont, just in case


Anne W. - Aug 14, 2003 7:30:30 am PDT #819 of 10000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

After re-reading 1602 three or four times, I have decided that Sir Nicholas Fury is the hottest thing ever. Elizabethan intrigue is so much sexier than American military intelligence. So help me, I'm tempted to write Fury/Murdock slash after this issue.

Hmm. I'm not sure if I agree with the Alpha Flight thing. I wouldn't be surprised if Gaiman has a few twists and turns in store. In fact, I have a feeling that he's probably leading us to make any number of assumptions about the 1602 'verse.


§ ita § - Aug 14, 2003 7:31:12 am PDT #820 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Gah. I need to find out if there's a comic store near work. The wait is killing me.


sumi - Aug 14, 2003 7:37:44 am PDT #821 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

Yeah, I thought I could wait 'til tomorrow -- nope. Going to go today.