Willow: Something evil-crashed to earth in this. Then it broke out and slithered away to do badness. Giles: Well, in all fairness, we don't really know about the "slithered" part. Anya: No, no, I'm sure it frisked about like a fluffy lamb.

'Never Leave Me'


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Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.


Gandalfe - Aug 13, 2003 7:50:15 pm PDT #814 of 10000
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

SFMARTY: There are, what, 8 of them? Go for it, & let me know how much. Or, let me know how much, & then go for it. Either way works.


sfmarty - Aug 13, 2003 8:31:52 pm PDT #815 of 10000
Who? moi??

Gandalfe, look up my e-mail addy and we can talk. Meanwhile I will go and get them tomorrow.

I have the new Marvel and left it in the car. Will read it too.

Gandalfe, if you want that one as well, e me and I will pick it up too. Can't make more than one trip tho. Really busy week.


CaBil - Aug 13, 2003 11:56:19 pm PDT #816 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

1602 Thoughts

First about the overall story: Supposedly, this is not a what-if story. What does that mean, I'm not sure...

And about one set of characters: I don't think Virginia Dare is Storm, since that would tie up her story with the witchbreed. Though her Native American protector would make sense to be Steve Rogers AKA Captain America. Could Virginia be some sort of Bucky analogue? Though I suspect she may be an original character.

And a question about one of the characters: The man with wings is Angel, aka Warren Worthington III, a founding member of the X-men. His mutant ability? Umm, wings that allow him to fly, mostly.


Steph L. - Aug 14, 2003 7:18:13 am PDT #817 of 10000
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

My co-worker is an artist and a comic-book geek, and he's grooving on my copy of 1602. He took one look at the pages and said "It isn't inked -- it was penciled and scanned."

I have to take his word on that, because even though he explained to me how he can tell, I don't see it.

And he says that the Virginia Maid and the Indian bodyguard are from Alpha Flight.

t edit Dude, co-worker is identifying *all* the characters. Impressive.


tina f. - Aug 14, 2003 7:24:56 am PDT #818 of 10000

I have only the barest knowledge of the Marvel comics and I thought it a great read, the artwork was not so great to me, but a good read.

You all have filled in some blanks that make it more interesting. Peter Parker looks like a goob, agreed. However, Fury and Daredevil are very un-gooblike and I want to see more.

edited: whitefont, just in case


Anne W. - Aug 14, 2003 7:30:30 am PDT #819 of 10000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

After re-reading 1602 three or four times, I have decided that Sir Nicholas Fury is the hottest thing ever. Elizabethan intrigue is so much sexier than American military intelligence. So help me, I'm tempted to write Fury/Murdock slash after this issue.

Hmm. I'm not sure if I agree with the Alpha Flight thing. I wouldn't be surprised if Gaiman has a few twists and turns in store. In fact, I have a feeling that he's probably leading us to make any number of assumptions about the 1602 'verse.


§ ita § - Aug 14, 2003 7:31:12 am PDT #820 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Gah. I need to find out if there's a comic store near work. The wait is killing me.


sumi - Aug 14, 2003 7:37:44 am PDT #821 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

Yeah, I thought I could wait 'til tomorrow -- nope. Going to go today.


Steph L. - Aug 14, 2003 8:11:10 am PDT #822 of 10000
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

Now I'm spoiler ho-ing for 1602. So far I've found out which Marvel characters will NOT appear, and that's it.

The characters are (spoiler-fonted) Wolverine and Iron Man. From an interview with Gaiman: "One of the greatest challenges for this project was in deciding which Marvel characters to include, and which to omit. In the end, Gaiman says he had two cardinal rules: "1) The Marvel Universe will come into existence much the same way we're used to, only 400 years earlier, and 2) Jettison anything that doesn't forward the story." Case in point: Wolverine. Also Iron Man, since no matter how you slice him "he's still just a bloke in armor."

Want more.


sfmarty - Aug 14, 2003 8:46:11 am PDT #823 of 10000
Who? moi??

Anyone know what post I should go back to once I have read 1602?