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Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 04, 2005 8:52:49 am PST #7130 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

man, Eisner's passing was SO not the way I wanted this year to start off. The man was a comic book god.

Does anyone read The Authority? I read the Yuletide challenge fic that shrift wrote, and it was her fandom. I googled a bit, and found it has a supertextual same sex couple. Is it any good?

Not anymore. The first twelve issues were golden, but the stories and art began a swift downward spiral after Ellis and Hitch left.


shrift - Jan 04, 2005 9:31:19 am PST #7131 of 10000
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Does anyone read The Authority? I read the Yuletide challenge fic that shrift wrote, and it was her fandom. I googled a bit, and found it has a supertextual same sex couple. Is it any good?

It may have been a supertextual relationship in the Stormwatch issues, but Ellis establishes them as in a relationship fairly early on his The Authority run. And then Apollo and The Midnighter get married. It's a thing.

The Ellis issues are worth reading. The stuff after, not so much. I'm liking Ed Brubaker's work thus far on The Authority: Revolutions.


§ ita § - Jan 04, 2005 9:40:41 am PST #7132 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

By supertextual I was grasping for a word to mean the opposite of subtext and could think of nothing other than "explicit" which certainly conjures up the wrong image. I think.

I realise now, the word CANONICAL would have done just fine.

::smacks self lightly on brain::


DavidS - Jan 04, 2005 9:41:07 am PST #7133 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Sheesh, Neil Gaiman's tribute to Will Eisner got me choked up.

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Tuesday, January 04, 2005
Will Eisner, 1917-2005
posted by Neil Gaiman 1/4/2005 10:12:11 AM

I interviewed my friend Will Eisner a few year ago, at the Chicago Humanities Festival. At one point I asked him why he kept going, why he kept making comics when his contemporaries (and his contemporaries were people like Bob Kane -- before he did Batman -- remember) had long ago retired and stopped making art and telling stories, and gone.

He told me about a film he had seen once, in which a jazz musician kept playing because he was still in search of The Note. That it was out there somewhere, and he kept going to reach it. And that was why Will kept going: in the hopes that he'd one day do something that satisfied him. He was still looking for The Note...

Will Eisner was better than any of us, and he kept working in the hope that one day he'd get it right.

I was woken up this morning, with the news that Will had died last night, aged 87, and I've let a few friends know, and already had to speak to one journalist about who Will was and what he did ("It's as if Orson Welles had made Citizen Kane and redefined what you could do in film, and then carried on making movies until now," I said, wishing I could come up with a better analogy, and knowing that that didn't explain it. And I didn't mention how proud he was of any of us who did good comics -- how much he cared about the medium -- or how glad I am that I got to tell him that I wouldn't have written comics if it wasn't for him. There's a reason that the Oscars of comics are the Eisner Awards.)

I'm suddenly very grateful for the time I've had with Will over the years, in England and Germany and Spain and the US, for the times that I went over to see him and Ann when I was in the Fort Lauderdale area. I'm glad I was there in Erlangen, when they gave Will an award and the place erupted into a standing ovation that went on and on until I thought that the walls would collapse and the Millenium come and we'd still be in that theatre cheering and clapping, with Will beaming down at us from the stage.

I'm going to miss him enormously, more than I can say. I made a speech last year, where I said how strange it was to discover that the gods of comics, the people who made the medium, were, when I met them, cranky old Jews. Will Eisner wasn't cranky, and he was never old. He was, in all ways, a mensch.

And I keep weighing it in my head, the sorrow at losing Will with the knowledge of how fortunate I was to have known him ("you're always sorry, you're always grateful," as Sondheim said about something quite different).

I'm more grateful than sorry.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 04, 2005 9:49:55 am PST #7134 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

In the characters' first appearance they were naked together in their warehouse lair. And used, shall we say, an unconventional posture for the flighted member of the duo to carry the non-flighted one. I suppose some people saw it as subtextual, but I didn't think much doubt was left for that kiss in the second Authority story arc to dispel.


P.M. Marc - Jan 04, 2005 9:55:04 am PST #7135 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

The Ellis issues are worth reading. The stuff after, not so much. I'm liking Ed Brubaker's work thus far on The Authority: Revolutions.

I'll second Shrift on this.


§ ita § - Jan 04, 2005 10:32:33 am PST #7136 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

When I first started googling, I found this page, which says " Some suggest that Apollo is homosexual but, I must admit, I have never seen anything conclusive in that respect."

I figured that merited further investigation.

Denial has a characteristic smell.


victor infante - Jan 04, 2005 10:40:45 am PST #7137 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

"Some suggest that Apollo is homosexual but, I must admit, I have never seen anything conclusive in that respect."

Wow. That's got to be REALLY old. They've been so terribly, terribly out since, like, the first few issues of the Authority, and glaringly barely-subtext before that. I mean, the first time we see them they wake up naked together on the floor of the place they've been hiding from Henry Bendix. And of course, as mentioned, they are now married.

Otherwise, I've been reading Auhority in Graphic Novel form, and have really enjoyed it, but it gets a little less enjoyable each time, and think I skipped the last one.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 04, 2005 11:37:14 am PST #7138 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

There's a time-check in the Jenny Sparks bio that lists her as 96 years old, so it's pretty far out of date. Like, pre-series-debut out of date.


amych - Jan 04, 2005 12:40:18 pm PST #7139 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Oh, god. Sad now.