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§ ita § - Dec 08, 2004 5:49:55 pm PST #6916 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

At least yours doesn't have fur.


Polter-Cow - Dec 08, 2004 5:51:47 pm PST #6917 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I had a crush on Gadget from Rescue Rangers.


DXMachina - Dec 08, 2004 6:22:59 pm PST #6918 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

So, looks like Storm is faster, and the other factors are even.

Is the Marvel Girl they're talking about Jean Grey, or is there another? Because those numbers seem whacked. They'd be fine for Phoenix, I think, but I mean, they've got her as dumber than Cyclops.


§ ita § - Dec 08, 2004 6:29:05 pm PST #6919 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

That's X-Men:2004 -- Rachel is Marvel Girl now.

I remember disagreeing about Kitty's fighting (too low), but now I'm wondering when Cyclops got his fighting up to a four. I also peg Juggernaut as dumber, and Sage as ... well, maybe not more intelligent, but more effectively intelligent.

2 is baseline human, btw.


Thomash - Dec 08, 2004 9:09:41 pm PST #6920 of 10000
I have a plan.

I have a hard time seeing those stats as accurate for Nightcrawler, speed and fighting skill-wise. I mean, c'mon, circus acrobat and champion swordsman, with a tail?


victor infante - Dec 08, 2004 9:14:37 pm PST #6921 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

I also peg Juggernaut as dumber

Eh, Juggernaut's supposed to be stupid, although a lot of writers have gotten him wrong. He's supposed to be a fairly normal guy upstairs, albeit with a lot of anger-management issues.


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 09, 2004 12:31:13 am PST #6922 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

So, looks like Storm is faster, and the other factors are even.

But they've shown him dodging machine gun fire, and grabbing a knife thrown at his throat fast enough to then catch his cigarette before it could fall...


Frankenbuddha - Dec 09, 2004 4:17:19 am PST #6923 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Thanks CaBil! That's exactly what I was wondering.


§ ita § - Dec 09, 2004 5:04:56 am PST #6924 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Juggernaut's supposed to be stupid, although a lot of writers have gotten him wrong. He's supposed to be a fairly normal guy upstairs, albeit with a lot of anger-management issues.

Wait -- I don't understand -- is Jugs stupid, or normal? I figure they just don't want anyone dumb on their team. He's always seemed very easy to play.

And no, they've never shown Storm as that fast, so I'm surprised by her stat in that category too.

I also don't remember them showing Nightcrawler as especially smart -- I mean, he is faster than he's smart, and that's no insult.


victor infante - Dec 09, 2004 7:03:15 am PST #6925 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Wait -- I don't understand -- is Jugs stupid, or normal? I figure they just don't want anyone dumb on their team. He's always seemed very easy to play.

Jugs isn't stupid, but over the years, there's been a lot of writers who write him like he's the Hulk or something. And there really are a lot of emotional problems going on with him, which I think is what makes him interesting.

Although the "Trial of Juggernaut" wasn't that good, he did have a good bit about how everyone always thinks he's dumber than he is, how he knows a few things and has opinions. And then he slept with She-Hulk.