Was there a new JLU last night like TVtome said there'd be? I forgot to set the VCR before going to Hec's book reading. I got the episode that was supposed to be shown, but it was from a Canadain network. Probably the one Holli mentioned upthread.

It ended up being the episode some of us were dreading when it was posted about awhile back, but it was actually pretty good. And there was one particular moment that was immensely satisfying.

What was being dreaded? Was it the Supertwins -- that weirded me out. Not to mention the bits that the boy kept leaving behind after turning back from water.

It makes me wonder -- what are Superman's boundaries? How fast (in %age of Flash)? How cold is his superbreath? His oxygen requirements? Sans kryptonite -- does he feel pain?

Ita, those are questions that have been posed for decades with no real answers. He's definitely not as fast as Flash, and can't quite fly at the speed of light.

He does indeed feel pain, but it takes a LOT.

Yes, there was a new JLU.

I was kind of "meh" about it.

He's definitely not as fast as Flash, and can't quite fly at the speed of light.

He used to be able to fly faster than light (stoopid retconning). There was a race between him and Barry Allen in one of the annuals that Barry won, IIRC, but both heros lost time because of villains and such, so it was inconclusive.

He seemed awfully underpowered in this JLU ep, is why I was wondering. It seemed that he felt pain too soon, and could have used his speed and superbreath to overcome some of the problems. It seemed too much like they were playing the League dumb so the Ultimen would look better.

He does indeed feel pain, but it takes a LOT.

If the cartoon version corresponds to the comic version of recent years, his threshold for pain is WAY below his threshold for injury. He's survived point blank thermonuclear detonations without serious harm, but blows from various villains and other heroes have stunned him and/or made him yelp. Pretty much if you can pick up an I-beam and clock him with it, you can get an "ungh!"

That's one problem I've noticed with Superman having so many powers, (in that cartoons at least, as well as on Smallville) is there are times when he doesn't use a power that would be really appropriate in that circumstance because if he did it would ruin the story the writer is trying to tell.

It wasn't the greatest episode ever, but it had some amusing moments, especially Aquaman back-handing "Waterboy" (I can't remember either his old name or the one used in this episode. Bizarro singing "Bizarro come to save the day!" Mighty Mouse-style also made me laugh.

While it was a nice shoutout to the old Superfriends cartoons, Batman's "Old chum" was out of character with the current version.

Has anyone else read JLA/JSA Virtue and Vice? What an odd little trade that was.

The only thing I really liked about this week's ep of JLU was when the woman from the shady, unnamed government agency called Batman "rich guy," b/c of the not-so-secret secret-identity implications.