amych, in the Bat titles I've read in the past, Steph's characterization has probably been inconsistent, but I've liked her a lot. In a lot of the Robin backissues, I actually liked her enough to get why Tim was dating her. She's cute, funny, and gets the whole vigilante thing, even if she's... well, not entirely suited for it. She tries too hard, wants Bat-approval, and acts impulsively -- but I think it was more of the "endearingly irritating" kind of characterization. A good writer can carry it off; Willingham isn't so much a good Bat writer.

And I agree with Steph that, hee, Steph definitely could be considered expendable. I mean, we've all been expecting it for months, but somehow I doubt it'll turn out to be a "you were watching the wrong hand!" mislead.

Exactly, shrift.

I want War Games!!! I need to find out when the next shipment is getting in and also go get the part 2, which I'm missing and didn't realize until yesterday.

I do my best to answer without deciding which comics she may already have read (didn't you say you hadn't read Nightwing, P-C? Maybe I remember wrong).

If you are asking questions about the latest chapter in a self-contained story, I consider it *eminently* fair to assume that you've read the previous chapters. If you opened Jane Eyre to the middle of the book and said "Who's this Mr Rochester guy?" the only intelligent response would be to tell you to start from the beginning and find out.

Michele, then don't answer.

Let those of us it doesn't bother help out.

I obviously set my bar for intelligence a lot lower than yours. Yet, still happy with my quality of life.

My bar for self-contained seems to be higher, though.

If you opened Jane Eyre to the middle of the book and said "Who's this Mr Rochester guy?" the only intelligent response would be to tell you to start from the beginning and find out.

We're not talking about Jane Eyre here. We're talking about comics, a medium in which answering a question like "Who's this Mr. Rochester guy?" would often entail going through several years and many issues of comics, some not even the same title as the one you're asking about, most not readily available to you. It's not even the same as being able to flip to the beginning of the book you're holding in your hand.

My bar for self-contained seems to be higher, though.

Yes. Reading Jane Eyre from the middle, I agree, is sloppy. It's a book, and has a clear beginning. But though War Games may be a "self-contained" story to you, it relies heavily on a working knowledge of the Batverse. The 12-Cent provided a lot of good exposition, but there's still a lot I, as someone new to the DCU, don't know. And frankly, there are people here who are more easily accessible as sources of this knowledge.

I finally got to read the LDK I missed, which did help explain the hospital scene in Nightwing. The end reveal of Penguin was of course not surprising since I'd read the issue after, and in the end, hardly important because he seems to have dropped out of the game already. But have we figured out what the hell they were talking about on the ship? Something about getting "her"? And the guy in the chair that we never see? I don't recall having seen any references to those events, unless bandage guy (who is Hush, apparently) was involved.

And ita, I checked out Kitty's face. That was a good face. It makes sense now.

The 12-Cent provided a lot of good exposition, but there's still a lot I, as someone new to the DCU, don't know.

Dude, I don't, either. Without the encyclopedic knowledge of those more immersed in the DC-verse than I am, and their willingness to explain things to me, I'd be floundering.

Review in today's NYT about a Fringe Festival show that sounds interesting:

'The Life and Times of Wonder Woman'
Puffin Room

She's superstrong, superquick, superbeautiful and supersmart with masses of jet-black hair, bright blue eyes and a body that would make a Trappist monk swear, as Wonder Woman herself tells us in this highly entertaining monologue by the English writer Terry Newman, a hit at last year's Fringe Festival in Edinburgh. In cherry red boots, and killer bustier/hot pants outfit, the British performer Tara Hendry does the vixen superheroine justice as she relates in bawdy braggadocio Wonder Woman's mighty Amazonian heritage, her Mount Olympus romps and more earthly pursuits, including bedding Superman (though Batman was better, she assures us). With her famous bracelets "that make short work of bullets" and her transformative twirl, Wonder Woman attempts to seduce members of the audience with her lusty tales and a magic lariat that makes it impossible for man or woman to resist the truth.

This multilayered, one-hour, one-woman show is an ingenious conceit, a way of talking about feminism, sexuality and society's view of women, told through the history of a cultural icon who went from comic book character in 1941 to hit TV star in the 1970's played by Lynda Carter. We learn about Wonder Woman's creator Charles Moulton, a k a William Moulton Marston. We learn that he modeled Wonder Woman on his mistress, who had masses of jet black hair, wore large sterling silver cuff bracelets and was along with himself, quietly into bondage. Part history lesson, part feminist tract, all funny, this show begins and ends with a fictitious northerner from England, Susan, who becomes captivated by the TV Wonder Woman during Saturday teatime. At the end of the show, when the audience realizes what Susan has grown up to be, they just may rue the day that they, like Susan, ever stopped believing. (CAMILLE SWEENEY)

Now I want to know more about Moulton's mistress, and what it was like for her to see her superhero self all over the place.

I was going to say what PC and Teppy did, except I would have been busted at work. There are characters that I've read in several different Batman titles and tpbs and I STILL don't know their back story or what the deal is.

Like the ventrolquist and the dummy. Please, someone explain that to me. Obviously a bad guy, and I'm assuming slightly (or totally) insane since this is Gotham and everyone is slightly nuts.

I think the ventriloquist and dummy are just slightly saner than Batman, actually.