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Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.


askye - Aug 26, 2004 9:22:41 am PDT #5631 of 10000
Thrive to spite them

I was going to say what PC and Teppy did, except I would have been busted at work. There are characters that I've read in several different Batman titles and tpbs and I STILL don't know their back story or what the deal is.

Like the ventrolquist and the dummy. Please, someone explain that to me. Obviously a bad guy, and I'm assuming slightly (or totally) insane since this is Gotham and everyone is slightly nuts.


Steph L. - Aug 26, 2004 9:25:18 am PDT #5632 of 10000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I think the ventriloquist and dummy are just slightly saner than Batman, actually.


Polter-Cow - Aug 26, 2004 9:29:51 am PDT #5633 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Like the ventrolquist and the dummy. Please, someone explain that to me.

Ah, Scarface. I remember him from the animated series. The old guy is of course completely nuts, and as far as I can tell, Scarface is pretty much an alternate personality who speaks via his ventriloquism. I really like him/them cause it's so bizarre. I forget the ventriloquist's name, but he's so very intimidated by his dummy. I love it.


askye - Aug 26, 2004 9:41:46 am PDT #5634 of 10000
Thrive to spite them

Thanks PC!

I wasn't sure if Scarface was an alternate personality or somebody cursed into dummy form or an alien. All of them seemed possible.

While I'm at it I have a question about No Man's Land vol 1. There's a gang of men who are bald with scars and they are refered as False something or the other. I want to know what their deal is.


Polter-Cow - Aug 26, 2004 9:43:08 am PDT #5635 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I wasn't sure if Scarface was an alternate personality or somebody cursed into dummy form or an alien. All of them seemed possible.

Aha. Heh. So you'd never encountered him at all. I've gotten most of my comics info from the animated serieses. They're good stuff.

Here's some info from dcuguide.com:

Incarcerated, Arnold Wesker found that a ventriloquist's dummy began to talk to him, teaching the art of ventriloquism and ultimately helping him to escape. This dummy, calling himself Scarface then became a major force in the Gotham City crime scene, particularly in drug-dealing. Wesker became the mild-mannered Ventriloquist, who seems to act at all times under Scarface's influence; it is unclear whether Wesker is evil, insane or genuinely driven by the dummy; similarly it is unclear whether Scarface is in fact, a 'real' entity. The two have encountered Batman many times, though of course, Scarface refers to him as 'Gatman' as ventriloquists can rarely pronounce the letter 'B'. Perhaps his most diabolical scheme was when Wesker disguised himself as 'the Quakemaster', claiming to have caused an earthquake which devastated Gotham and demanding millions in cash to prevent aftershocks. As ever, he was apprehended by Batman.


askye - Aug 26, 2004 10:18:07 am PDT #5636 of 10000
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I think my intro to Scarface was No Man's Land vol 1. Which has so much going on in it.

DC has so many intersting freaks.

Speaking of, yesterday I realized I've never read anything with Harley Quinn in itand I need to change that.


DXMachina - Aug 26, 2004 3:16:37 pm PDT #5637 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

So, finally got Astounishing. Totally fell for the misdirect. I knew Peter was dead, thanks to conversations here, but he never even occurred to when I went through the list of dead mutants it could be. Although, I do wonder if he got there by falling from the sky naked.

Also, the layout sequence where the bullet ricochets off something, and then you turn the page to see Colossus standing there, is perfect.


sumi - Aug 26, 2004 4:39:04 pm PDT #5638 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

Hmmm, perhaps they'll have a flashback where they will show just that.


Steph L. - Aug 26, 2004 7:40:49 pm PDT #5639 of 10000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

So, finally got Astounishing. Totally fell for the misdirect. I knew Peter was dead, thanks to conversations here, but he never even occurred to when I went through the list of dead mutants it could be. Although, I do wonder if he got there by falling from the sky naked.

Maybe he came back wrong.


§ ita § - Aug 26, 2004 7:43:23 pm PDT #5640 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Don't hurt me! Joss has done enough!

::goes back to last couple pages of Astounishing::