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Steph L. - Aug 05, 2004 12:57:57 pm PDT #5265 of 10000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

ita, not only is she going to be around a lot, she teams up with Batgirl during this bigass crossover.


sumi - Aug 05, 2004 12:59:16 pm PDT #5266 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

This huge three month crossover that hits all the Bats titles.

Come on! Jump right in!


§ ita § - Aug 05, 2004 12:59:44 pm PDT #5267 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I hate you all, and I hate DC more.

Man, for people that kvetch about the ever-expanding X-Universe, at least it's a team! Batman is like a virus with a million titles infected.


Steph L. - Aug 05, 2004 1:02:57 pm PDT #5268 of 10000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I hate you all, and I hate DC more.

Onyx and Cass, fighting side by side.... Just imagine the carnage.


sumi - Aug 05, 2004 1:04:00 pm PDT #5269 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

Hee -- Batsverse is a family not a team -- thus - - messier.


P.M. Marc - Aug 05, 2004 1:04:50 pm PDT #5270 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Man, for people that kvetch about the ever-expanding X-Universe, at least it's a team! Batman is like a virus with a million titles infected.

Nuh-uh!

We've got

  • BoP
  • Batman
  • Catwoman
  • 'Tec
  • Gotham Central
  • Gotham Knights
  • LotDK
  • Nightwing
  • Robin

That's not even ten!

No, wait.

Batgirl.

So that's ten. But just ten!


P.M. Marc - Aug 05, 2004 1:05:38 pm PDT #5271 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Onyx and Cass, fighting side by side.... Just imagine the carnage.

Or the femslash.

Mmmm.

I mean, they're like, practically made for each other.


§ ita § - Aug 05, 2004 1:08:05 pm PDT #5272 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

That's not even ten!

But it's really all one guy, you know? Even Professor X doesn't figure as heavily in the X-Men as Bats imprints throughout his 'verse.

It's a million titles, y'all are sick, and maybe I'll just pick up the crossover thingummy and then stop.


P.M. Marc - Aug 05, 2004 1:20:15 pm PDT #5273 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

But it's really all one guy, you know? Even Professor X doesn't figure as heavily in the X-Men as Bats imprints throughout his 'verse.

Well, isn't he less wrapped into the fiber of the rest of the crew than Bats is?

Bats, he's father-brother-lover-leader, all merged into one screwed up package. He's the reason, y'know? The motivation. The core.

Birds of Prey (the core of which is, in many ways, actually Dinah, who is if anything an Arrow for life) contrasts the golden child with the black sheep.

Batman, well, that's his book.

Catwoman, that's the other side of the street, and he's just a fleeting fling when defenses are down, even if Selina would want more.

'Tec? Okay, also pretty much his book.

Gotham Central, he's a force they have to deal with, and would rather not.

Gotham Knights is his book, but the angle always seems to be more of the interpersonal, and sometimes, it's really about the bad guy. Or ex bad guy. Or whatever the hell Bane is now. It's the weird family book.

LotDK? His book, and often the weakest of the titles in my view, because it seems to be the title where they shove all the ideas they can't really work into the other storylines. Sometimes good, often not so good.

Nightwing is decidedly not Batman's book. Sure, Daddy plays a part, but it's still Dick's world.

Robin has a frequent lack of Batman, oddly, as Robin (at least Tim Drake Robin) was often his own agent.

Crap. I think my original list forgot Batgirl.

Which is her book, but also Batman's and Oracle's.

I think I've lost my point, if I had one. But I may have sorted out some of my title feelings.


§ ita § - Aug 05, 2004 1:27:39 pm PDT #5274 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Well, isn't he less wrapped into the fiber of the rest of the crew than Bats is?

That was kinda my point -- they're all named after him one way or another, and up until very recently pretty much either under his auspices or reacting to them. But still, NSM him.

In theory, the titles that are about other people could be much less about him. But other than Catwoman, they're all his creations and as influences go, his runs pretty deep. Hell, in my head, he even touches Outsiders (but that's me being way old school, and seeing so much of him in Dick (and get your mind out of the gutter) forever).

It's not a criticism, just a parry to something no one here said.

How big is Superman's title world?